Thanks hon

I'll let u know in a years time, she's only 4 months old...

sorry but this is just wrong.

Banning pitbulls has not stopped people from fighting dogs, there is your fact.

your post has no substance or logic behind it at all.

You do realize people are fighting dogs that are legal and are still fighting dogs that are illegal, right? People who participate in something so heinous don't care if the dog is legal or not. Is dog fighting illegal over there? It is here, so why would you think people who participate in something illegal would care about getting a dog that was legal?

So why do you think that making those dogs legal will mean they'll suddenly end up in dog fighting rings? They're ALREADY THERE. All it means is that good owners of dogs that might look like a pit bull aren't going to be in danger of losing their dogs. And that those who admire the breed, can get one. And that those who wish to move to the UK for a job and have a pit bull can do so without having to give up their dog or stay where they were to keep it.

What I don't get is why pit bulls but not staffies? I'm pretty sure they were and are used in dog fighting too? Where there is BSL here, staffies fall under the "pit bull" umbrella and are banned as well.

oh they wouldnt ban something so english as the good old stafford. its you americans that messed with our bull dogs and sent them back to us evil. oh and we have ever liked the japs and their fighting dogs.

no im playing it was just a complete ignorance about dogs and a kneejerk reaction by a clueless government.

A good dog person (and a breeder keeping several intact bitches should be a good dog person) knows that there are plenty of warning signs before something happens. Small scuffles, growls, etc. The idea that dogs just "turn" one day has been a long time myth.

If I had intact dogs I would never allow them free reign of the house when I was out. I would always keep them separated. Hormones can do funny things to animals of all sorts (including humans ). The dogs I was referring to are all spayed and neutered (except the Rottweiler).

Not me I said it is okay for you with the DA dog to take precautions but not someone with a PB who is DA instead their breed gets banned, see the hypocrisy

You see worth in Staffy's but not PB's but both you claim are DA and being YOUR reason for PB's being on the DDA. See the problem One breed is fine but another is not even though Staffy's can come under the pitbull 'type'

that is factual for you



So its okay to keep trying with Staffy's but not PB's

In Holland Rotties were added to their DDA list, they now wiped the DDA law, finding it didn't work. So maybe it will get wiped in your life time

Here is the notes from a Rottweiler club, they do admit to them being a possible breed for the DDA, no one knows where the DDA could extend breeds to the list or cease the law all together but while it exists don't be fooled into thinking large dog breeds are safe
Dangerous Dogs Act
Holly agreed that a breed could be added to the Dangerous Dogs Act but thought that this was unlikely. Dave Parrish, The Rottweiler Club, said that three breed were already listed and he felt we did have cause to worry.
Holly replied that the Kennel Club were working very closely with DEFRA and had been given assurances that there were no additions to the Act in the pipeline. DEFRA informed KC that DDA is the second most unpopular legislation in recent years.
Various proposed restrictions by London Councils were discussed.
Taken from http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&so...srAKpU1WBJLYzQ

but it also seems okay as long as it isn't a breed you don't own, makes it a bit personal then
Sorry but you talk with little merit on the reasons for PB's being on the DDA, you have not pointed at them being more DA than your own breed of choice, if belittling makes you feel better that is fine, it does nothing but show the prejudice of a particular breed in your eyes which doesn't make any fact for which this breed is worthy of becoming extinct.

Whilst I am Totally against the Staffy being subjected to BSL and branded dangerous or evil or whatever, the point you raise to my mind adds to the ridiculousness of the Breed Specific Legislation. And just reiterates to me that it should be a deed that is deemed dangerous and not a breed.

You are right to say Staffys are, sadly, used in dog fighting however I would be interested, and its almost impossible to ever determine, to know how many "staffys" that are used in fights are pure Staffy. As the Staffy is actually quite a short dog and the American Pit Bull is a lot longer in the leg, typically up to 24 inches and heavier typically up to 50lbs , a true Stafford should typically be between 14 - 16 inches and 28 - 38 lbs. A lot of the "staffys" seen as status dogs or in the aftermath of fights are much larger than that which suggests a cross with a larger more muscular dog (which essentially makes them Pit Type)

ETA -- and where my stronger restrictions on breeding and owning would, in the long term hopefully reduce the amount of illbred litters and irresponsibly owned dogs be they Pits or other breeds

I definitely don't want to see them added. I want to see everything ELSE being subtracted from it. BSL needs to go away.

I would actually be curious as to how many APBTs are involved in dog fighting as well. While some of the dogs they confiscate from these dog fighting rings are about the right size, you also see dogs who weigh 80 or 90 pounds used for fighting. I think a lot of the dog fighters are breeding their pit bulls and staffies with mastiffs, Cane Corsos, and other larger breeds to create simply massive dogs.

You really naive enough to think dog fighting wouldn't increase with the removal of PitBulls from the DDA List?

Of course it still goes on...What do you think those Dogo's are being bred for I mentioned the other day? It isn't sure isn't for the purpose of responsible dog ownership..

Raids on dog fighting rings are carried out everyday in the Midlands area alone, one took place just a couple of weeks ago in Perry Barr - you really honestly believe these dogs wouldn't be mass produced and more dog fighting rings wouldn't crop up ? Of course they would. Which of course in turn would add to the numbers of dogs in rescue which are already full to the point of bursting to the brim.

Quite the contrary, you seem to be naive enough to think that dog fighters actually CARE about which breeds are illegal. They're going to keep on keeping on, the same way they are now. You're not going to see more rings pop up just because a dog is legal.