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31-07-2009, 11:14 AM
Originally Posted by Sarah27 
This may be just semantics, but isn't that the perfect description of 'dominance'?
i.e. the strongest/fittest dominate the weak/ill by beating/injuring/killing them in a fight?
A definition of dominant:
1: a:commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others
b: very important, powerful, or successful
2: overlooking and commanding from a superior position
So by definition the breeding pair controls the pack because they are the only ones who breed - they control the size and wellbeing of the pack. So they 'dominate' the pack.
With regards to humans and dogs what CM advocates is complete and total control over your dog but that simply doesn't occur in nature. The relationships are far more fluid than that. Only in Humans, particularly when someone decides they feel the need to control a particular section of our own society for their own selfish needs/desires/beliefs.
Becky
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31-07-2009, 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by Hali
Sorry Ramble, I'm having difficultly trying to say what I mean..can't quite find the right terminology.
yes, I would think that all behaviourists need to teach a change in behaviour.
But there is a line between teaching/training correct behaviours which may have drastic consequences and teaching/training other skills and 'niceties'.
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31-07-2009, 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker
Ah - i get you now. No, you dont need to be able to train a dog to understand what its problem is, but you need to be able to train a dog as part of solving its problem
BUt
as a trainer it helps to have an understanding of behaviours...BUT you can do it without..just possibly not as well as someone who understands why the dog behaves as it does.
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31-07-2009, 12:16 PM
Originally Posted by Lizzy23
Agreed totally, and very easy with a dog you have had from a pup, not so easy with a stray rescue, who A you don't know there name, so have to give a new name and B has never been taught, that food, toys, treats are great things and worth coming back for, and c from the looks has been left to do what they please for the first 8 months to a year of their life, so you're trying to start training just as they are hitting their teenage months
Which is where my Food circuit works!
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31-07-2009, 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
Which is where my Food circuit works!
rune
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31-07-2009, 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by rune
hand feeding a rescue is one of the best ways of bonding it to you. Its funny how people have a problem with it. They really want the dog to have dinner etc in a bowl.
rune
That's really interesting...I fed Tango loads when she came...not all her meal as I wanted her to feel chilled out when eating that, but I kept a bit back and called her to me and made a fuss of her a lot...so she associated me with good stuff. Mind you I do the same with puppies too.
Judging by the way she bounced up to me when I came down late this morning (OH got up with the doglets today which is unusual so she missed me I think)...she has bonded!
Interesting point though.
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31-07-2009, 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
Is it possible we have never seen CM sort out a recall issue....because he CANT sort out a recall issue?
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