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27-02-2012, 11:59 PM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers View Post
First and foremost he is a Vet - perhaps you are lucky and have healthy dogs not affected by hereditary or congenital conditions. He spoke with conviction regarding the health & welfare of pedigree dogs.
Its just a shame the boxer breeder who is also a vet didn't care so much about hereditary issues...
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28-02-2012, 12:00 AM
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That was from the original program & the breeder has stopped showing & breeding

JH as usual only gave half the facts, the 70% was from this quote



IE 90% of the dogs in the research had CM & between 30% & 70% of them have SM
OK----just realised what you were trying to say.

That the stat. of 70% of the whole was wrong because it was actually 70% of the 90%. The fact that 90% have a malformed skull is bad enough IMO.

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28-02-2012, 12:00 AM
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Just done a quick calculation. Gucci fathered 894 pups. Say that is 10 pups per litter---very roughly. That is at least 80 matings ----thats a lot of money.

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That is also a lot of puppies bred carrying the juvenile kidney disease gene
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28-02-2012, 12:03 AM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers View Post
First and foremost he is a Vet - perhaps you are lucky and have healthy dogs not affected by hereditary or congenital conditions. He spoke with conviction regarding the health & welfare of pedigree dogs.
Yes I initally thought he was a little sensationalist with his quotes
But it could also be a guy who has seen too many dogs with some of these condions and feels so strongly about it
It must be heartbreaking for a vet to see some of these dogs and have no power to do anything except to patch them up
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28-02-2012, 12:06 AM
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I do think the KC have done themselves no favours by refusing to appear by doing this to the general public it just looks like they are not willing to address the issues. I notice on the KC Facebook page they are just wheeling out the standard responses. The KC needs to properly address these issues not just tinker around the edges. If they haven't the power maybe they need to be disbanded and an organisation willing to address the issues should be set up. If other countries can do it why not the U.K?

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They didn't need to they have made this instead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrWjV...feature=colike

Other Kennel clubs are set up in different ways, most require you to be a member of in order to register puppies & show your dogs, so they can enforce compulsory health testing-the UK Kennel Club is a private club that keeps an open dog registration database

Who will fund your all powerful new registry ? Who will run it ?
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28-02-2012, 12:06 AM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers View Post
That is also a lot of puppies bred carrying the juvenile kidney disease gene
I never even thought of that an average of 447 puppies with the gene if its a recessive
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28-02-2012, 12:10 AM
The vet with the pug was one of our vets and I know how much he cares about the welfare of dogs (and other animals). He was very restrained and just listed the physical problems but I am sure that had he or any other vet been asked to comment on what they felt they would have been as definite in their views as Mark Evans was.

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28-02-2012, 12:11 AM
Originally Posted by JoedeeUK View Post
They didn't need to they have made this instead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrWjV...feature=colike

Other Kennel clubs are set up in different ways, most require you to be a member of in order to register puppies & show your dogs, so they can enforce compulsory health testing-the UK Kennel Club is a private club that keeps an open dog registration database

Who will fund your all powerful new registry ? Who will run it ?
But they do have some power - If they can say they can refuse to register puppies from Mother son matings - then they can refuse to register all sorts
They could refuse to register without tests
they could refuse to register litters by a stud after a certain number of litters
They could refuse to register a certain COI
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28-02-2012, 12:18 AM
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OK----just realised what you were trying to say.

That the stat. of 70% of the whole was wrong because it was actually 70% of the 90%. The fact that 90% have a malformed skull is bad enough IMO.

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No 90% of the dogs in the research(which was not ALL the cavaliers in the world)& the dogs in the research were all related to dogs that had been diagnosed with SM & the various research programs found between 30 & 70%of the 90% of the dogs in the research programs had SM

IE between 30% & 70% of 90% of the dogs in the research programs that had the malformation had SM not the Cavalier population as a whole.

Claire Rusbridge has stated this several times emphasizing that the percentages are only from the research programs & not a random selection of unrelated Cavaliers-how do I know because our dogs(the blenheims all bred by a member of this forum)were included in several of the research programs as they were all bred to a known SM producer(which we were not told about by the breeder)

Don't forget the skull malformation & SM are also found in humans perhaps the families of the children affect should be prevented from breeding ?
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28-02-2012, 12:19 AM
They don't want to upset the breeders. It will cost them too much money if a breed club decides to break away. Its why they shook agility up and made it more user friendly---because other organisations came in and took some of their income away. We had been asking for change for years, it only happened when their finances became involved.

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