I'm ridiculously competitive, I always have been.

As i said earlier, i bought my collies because of agility and wanting to be more competitive within the sport.

This weekend, i was competing, how ironic that my gsd did fab and my collie was an utter hooligan in the ring. She produced two of the worst runs i have seen of any dog in a long time. Am I annoyed with her? no. Am I wanting to rehome her? no. Do i still love her very much? yes. Did she get a big juicy bone with the others when we got in last night? of course she did!!

What im trying to say, is that we can be really competitive but still love our dogs dearly, yeh there are a few people in dog sports that view their dogs as just a commodity, but they are dog owners and not dog lovers.

Dogs were never originally a 'hobby' their co-existance(?) with humans and the benefit to both in a changing world were discovered and utilised. The relationship(exploitation?), lifestyles, reasons for dog ownership and breeding are far removed(very much) from the above. Has all this gone too far to be reversed? At best there are many who try give a dog/s the best life possible within the realms of the world as it is.
'The Old Order Changeth'
'Tennyson'

agree with Collie Convert, im another who wasnt a collie person, til i started doing flyball with the rotts, now i have a colle and a colle x. they (of course) are much faster than the rotts and do/will compete in higher divisions than them, BUT i love my rotties endlessly, and dont care where they get placed, of course i love coming first, but that doesnt always happen, BUT i and they still enjoy it! if they had to stop doing FB tomorrow then so be it and the same would apply to the collie.
Im was NOT a competitive person, UNTIL i started doing FB lol, which was why i wanted the collie. If for any reason none of them could compete, i would very likely get another, but still keep the rest!

But im not saying you dont love your dogs
Im just saying I disagree with these dog owners, I dont like that
It is not saying anything bad against you or anyone like you - it is against the people who put the hobby first

When ever did the changes for the dog/human relationship ever come about and why? Living with, caring/providing for any living creature is far removed from picking up a piece of knitting or any such like

I will not sell them as pets or as non competitive Ob Dogs, that would be a waste (imo)

I will only sell them to people that train their dogs in a maNNER I & keep them in a manner i like.
That means a full life, just like a massive majority of Ob dogs have.

They would have to come back to me, at any time that the owner couldnt have them, as any responsible breeder would do. But i would not seell to someone that does not keep their dogs/rehomes willy nilly.

They dont have to excel, thats down to the trainer,buit id like them to be "enjoyed" which with the lines ive got & how fussy im being about the husband, they will be bred to be made the most of.

I think you have some really bad sterotypes going on.

There may be the "odd" person like this , but its far from the norm

To add , id much prefer them to go to serious comp homes, than to homes thsat did only six shows a year, Id like my pups to do the best they can, rather than someone who wasnt doing it seriously

Obviously baffled by that one ?

If only the majority of pet dogs were cared for, loved and well-treated

I don't want to split hairs, but you said ... "It is often not possible for a guide dog or police dog handler to keep their retired pet, so should they also be castigated?" ... which to me sounds as though it is quite a regular thing for PD handlers not to keep their retired dogs, which is not the case in my experience.

but I think she means if someone bought a pup intending to do Ob, serious style but then for whatever reason dosnt and so the dog is considered useless to them and they want to return it (even though not the dogs lack of ability?)- would you be happy with that? (I dont suppose anyone would be and correct me if I'm wrong BM but thats the impression I got?) or would you prefer that the dog stays with the person beacuse in all other ways the dog leads a fulfilled life?