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25-05-2011, 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by HiHoSilver View Post
Get your information straight before offering an opinion of this nature please.
Of what nature exactly?

I was simply trying to understand, from reading the posts on here, why pitbulls, who are supposedly a banned breed, can become legal. Surely if something is banned, then it's banned. The purpose of the ban was to eradicate the 4 breeds on the DD list (or am I wrong in thinking that?) so why then make allowances for x, y and z?

No, I dont know the DDA inside out, never needed to because I dont own dogs of type, and I dont know drugs laws inside out, never needed to because I dont take drugs.

Do you own a dog 'of type'?
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25-05-2011, 05:07 PM
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The purpose of the ban was to eradicate the 4 breeds on the DD list (or am I wrong in thinking that?) so why then make allowances for x, y and z?

Exactly an illegal dog is an illegal dog; the exemption list was there for EXISTING dogs to be put on and of course you cannot APPLY to be on the exemption list this occurs post a Court Order.

Why anyone would want to have a dog that may be at risk of being liable to a Court Order is beyond me.

It was different BEFORE they were made illegal.

But there will always be those who believe certain laws do not apply to them!

I am not ANTI pit bulls per se, I am anti a lot of the fallout from their existence in the UK.
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25-05-2011, 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Leanne_W View Post
Of what nature exactly?

I was simply trying to understand, from reading the posts on here, why pitbulls, who are supposedly a banned breed, can become legal. Surely if something is banned, then it's banned. The purpose of the ban was to eradicate the 4 breeds on the DD list (or am I wrong in thinking that?) so why then make allowances for x, y and z?

No, I dont know the DDA inside out, never needed to because I dont own dogs of type, and I dont know drugs laws inside out, never needed to because I dont take drugs.

Do you own a dog 'of type'?
Problem is you don't need to own a dog of type,KC Reg SBT's have been seized under this law and pts

Why should a dog be pts,a family pet because of of the way it looks and not because of it's behaviour ?
This is why the amendment of 1997 was fought for and won,if the dog does not pose a danger to the public why should it be pts because of the way it looks ?
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25-05-2011, 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear View Post

Why anyone would want to have a dog that may be at risk of being liable to a Court Order is beyond me.

It was different BEFORE they were made illegal.

But there will always be those who believe certain laws do not apply to them!
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If only it was that simple,what about cross bred dogs from two legal breeds that produce a dog which falls into the catagory of type ? Family pets is it justified to take this pet and pts because it looks like type yet is a cross of two legal breeds ?

BSL is unjust,unfair,does not work,proven time and time again,you can not class a whole breed as dangerous on the action of a few individuals of that breed,it's simply not true.
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25-05-2011, 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by Leanne_W View Post
Of what nature exactly?

I was simply trying to understand, from reading the posts on here, why pitbulls, who are supposedly a banned breed, can become legal. Surely if something is banned, then it's banned. The purpose of the ban was to eradicate the 4 breeds on the DD list (or am I wrong in thinking that?) so why then make allowances for x, y and z?

No, I dont know the DDA inside out, never needed to because I dont own dogs of type, and I dont know drugs laws inside out, never needed to because I dont take drugs.

Do you own a dog 'of type'?
I don't own a pitbull but EVERY dog owner should be aware of the D.D.act because it affects every dog owner - not just the owners of those of the 'type'.

The DDA was so hurriedly framed and badly thought out that I have seen dogs less of 'type' than one of my own staff cross mutts destroyed under it.There was an RSPCA inspector named Jan Eacchus who testified in hundreds of 'pitbull' cases for the prosecution in the early days of the DDA - anything with a square head on four legs was a pitbull according to him.Sadly the courts took his word over that of TRAINED breed identification experts,both Kennel Club bull breed judges and behaviourists like Roger Mugford,and so many innocent dogs were killed it was an obscenity to any animal lover.

Still is.

Would I own a pitbull?Yes,if I came across one that needed a place desperately - as has been the case with all of my dogs - I would take it in and doubtless get stuck with it.I already have three seriously dog aggressive dogs plus one people aggressive dog so even if a pit was a nightmare in that way I'd find a way to manage it so it could do no damage and have a decent life.
Saying that I'd have no higher expectation of a pitbull being a nasty sod than any other dog,it would depend on where it came from.Of course the background of most of my dogs is unknown though it's often not hard to guess what sort of life they've had by the way they behave...
All of the pits that I've met have been delightful friendly cuddle pups - one or two have had DA issues but 18month old males of any breed often go through a period of that behaviour.
I knew of one pit who's owner had an ADHD child and failed to put a lock on the gate of the dog's run.The dog was NOT a house pet and not socialised.
Of course there was a problem,the child got in with the dog and was mauled and the dog was killed.
Although I have no children living here I do have them visiting at which time the aggressive dogs are LOCKED away and all others are closely supervised with the rugrats.
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25-05-2011, 07:39 PM
My experience has been that a great percentage of dogs seized are not actually Pitbulls but Pitbull types.

That means they have a number of physical characteristics of the breed, not genetic or behavioral but physical.

Two dogs from the same litter can be classed differently one as type one as not type.
No account is taken for temperament when being seized and as has been said a cross of two legal breeds can be classed as type.
Even in the past dog rehomed by rescues including dogs trust have been seized as type.

Regular responsible dog owners are having family pets seized all it takes is a someone to call and say there are pitbulls living in your house and if you own a mutt that has a short coat and is of muscular build you are in danger of your dog being seized.
Even if they take it to assess it can take anything for two weeks upwards of your dog being in kennels and you having no clue where you dog is or even if it is OK.

BSL has made Type dogs more attractive to the wrong sort of people which is why you get problems with other dogs that perpetuates the bad image.
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