If you have concerns about any animal being terrorised by the the chase, then you need to expand your revulsion to ALL animals in the food chain, doing what comes naturally to them... a mouse chases and kills a cat, dogs chase and terrorise cats, the cycle goes on and on and on!! something is always chasing /ripping apart and killing something else.

But it seems add man and pest control to the equation, it then becomes barbaric.

is it, you would rather see them suffer a lingering death !!

Who said it was?? hunting with or without dogs is for "population control"

As for the misconception of watching and getting kicks out of an animals death, you are watching to much TV, if that is your impression of what happens,,, the majority of the hunt are far from participating in the kill... did you say , you used to hunt as a child??? can remember if you did!!

But if you did , you will know the structure of the hunt and the strict abidance of them, and who is where at what time , and doing what!!!

There is a BIG difference between an animal killing another for SURVIVAL than just for a bit of ‘fun’ or apparent ‘control’… and I don’t agree with calling it ‘pest control’.


Tell the cat then, that enjoys the thrill of the chase and the kill, not for survival but for the enjoyment of it.

Pest control covers a wide area, foxes , rats, are considered pests.... is it OK then to kill the pesky rat by using terrier men and their dogs, but not OK to kill the fox with the same ethos...dogs!!!!! doing dispatching the vermin, as quickly and humanly as possible,

Do you not think the rat is terrorised when it runs for its life , knowing the dogs are going to get it.

I have nothing against people killing animals in the most humane and stress free way they can, as long as they are going to eat the animal. I personally could not do that, but I understand some can. But killing an animal for fun, is sick and a total waste of life!

So tell me, what would be the most humane stress free way to kill the Fox!! have you an alternative , ???


I was meaning that pro-hunting people just use that as there defence for why they do it… a rubbish justification for it.



It has even been said on here about the thrill and fun of it! and no, I didn’t hunt as a child.

Gnasher, stop being so patronising to Chaz, she is a young girl who wishes to keep her rabbits as house pets, thousands of people do, dont be condescending!!

Chaz, you should follow Gnashers example, and allow you furry little rabbits to roam free (as nature intended!!!!!!!, oh but wait!!, they might get ripped apart by those pesky foxes!!!

P.S.... sorry so late coming back, but only just got Internet back on!!!!

Just wanted to add..
I am SO jealous of those that have seen badgers...I really want to see badgers and sadly have never seen one.

I absolutely abhor snares too - and unfortunately have to live with them as my husband is head shepherd on a shooting estate Two of my dogs got caught in snares recently. Flame (GSD) had one round her muzzle which was extremely tight and I would hate to think what would have happened if I hadn't been there quickly to help her out. The other dog that was caught around the neck was one of my hubby's working dogs and thankfully she didn't panic and I was able to let her free with relative ease. I wish they would be banned and I often have heated discussions with the keepers up here about them. However, I also hate lamping foxes at night (which is also a regular occurrence where I live) as it is not easy to cleanly shoot and kill a fox that is fleeing for its life over heather I can understand why keepers cannot allow foxes around their release pens and also, as this is a grouse moor, they want to protect the ground nesting birds. However, what I don't understand is that it seems that every fox up here has to be extinguished. They won't tolerate any at all, which I find hard to stomach. Especially when I heard of a vixen with six cubs being killed last year Not one was allowed to live.

Part of the reason I believe that fox hunting on horseback is all about the thrill of the sport, is that if they were seriously wanting to control foxes they would use dogs such as lurchers, which could catch and kill a fox with relative ease and in a much shorter space of time - ie no long, drawn out chase. But, hey, where is the fun in that?!

The only reason I think of foxhounds is because I have only ever lived in innercity Birmingham and this is how it is portrayed to us in the media. I just remember when the ban was coming in that was the topic that the many foxhounds would have to be pts as you can never home them in an ordinary household environment!

Pest control covers a wide area, foxes are considered pests....

doing dispatching the vermin, as quickly and humanly as possible,

So tell me, what would be the most humane stress free way to kill the Fox!! have you an alternative , ???

Tell the cat then, that enjoys the thrill of the chase and the kill, not for survival but for the enjoyment of it.

Pest control covers a wide area, foxes , rats, are considered pests.... is it OK then to kill the pesky rat by using terrier men and their dogs, but not OK to kill the fox with the same ethos...dogs!!!!! doing dispatching the vermin, as quickly and humanly as possible,

Do you not think the rat is terrorised when it runs for its life , knowing the dogs are going to get it.

So tell me, what would be the most humane stress free way to kill the Fox!! have you an alternative , ???

No they dont, pro hunt will tell you the reason for fox hunting is pest control.

The thrill of the chase and the social side is a seperate entity.

No one is denying the enjoyment of a day following hounds, there is nothing to compare being out at the crack of dawn on a frosty cold winter morning, with all that horse power and nature at its rawest around you!!!

But as you so rightly put me straight, you have no experience of what you are again condemning

And no, I don’t think it is right to kill rats either, unless the rat is known to be carrying disease. A few years ago, we had mice in our garage. We caught them humanely and released them. I would never set a trap that would kill them. and yes, i do think the rat is terrorised, which is why i dont like that either!

leptospirosis mean anything to you? I'm currently doing some work at Tiggywinkles, and even they can't accept rats, as they carry so many dieseases.

http://www.aaanimalcontrol.com/ratdiseases.htm

So although rats may be healthy, they are still a pest that can cause harm to people and other animals.

yes, and that is why i said unless they are carrying diseases. who are we to kill off ANY animal of a species? rats are here for a reason, and they deserve to be just as much as we do. so i do not agree at all with killing perfectly healthy rats.