FAB saying!! I must remember that one!

LMAO did they by chance used to work for the council


lol, I could be wrong hear but is it not a bit counter productive.... Close the car parks so people with familys cant get parked and the dog WALKERS wander in when it comes down to it, we can park a bit down the road and walk,,,,,,,, theres another well thought out idea....

Hello all!!!
I truly do see where you are coming form and i have had this conversation before on here.
The thing is this is not just about the children that have been attacked of late. This is also about the increase in dog on dog attacks. Over the summer there were people going into our parks and setting dogs onto other dogs on purpose.
Responsible dog owners need to feel safe and if that means all dogs being muzzled then fine. In a decent, soft muzzle where is the harm in that. As I said, they would soon associate the muzzle with positive things and look forward to it coming out in the same way as they do a lead, if it is introduced and used properly, I see no harm in it. Not ideal, no, but the situation as it has been isn't ideal either.

As for people thinking dogs in muzzles are vicious....yes they do...but you know what...get out there and talk to your average non dog owning person with kids and ask them what they think about dogs and if they would feel safer about dogs being out and even offlead in public areas if they were muzzled. We are not just talking about dog owners, we are also talking about non dog owners and they have the right to feel safe in public places.

I do get where you are all coming from and I would much rather let my dogs off and not muzzle them...but if that's the only way I can take them out...then fine, we would all grwo used to it.

I don't think that this is for individual councils to decide though, apart from anything else that won't work...nor do I think it is the answer nationally. I'm just saying, if that was the only thing that would work...then so be it....

I agree with you too Moobli. Flippin heck it must be nice to be popular eh?

I really don't think there is a problem that needs to be sorted? There's been absolutely no change round here at all. Took Isla to South Park this week and she had a whale of a time playing with lots of new friends. Great socialisation for her and less walking for me! (Just kidding, I can't help but walk a long way I'm obsessed! )

Dog fights happen I'm afraid, just the same as people punch each others lights out etc. Not all dogs get on all of the time, you'd be mad to think that they should.
In my experience the majority of the time the dogs sort out themselves, unless brought up incorrectly or bred badly.

And this is where the problem lies IMO. Trying to control this instead of picking on the general dog owning population that are responsible would make a hell of a lot more sense to me.

The people that own these dogs that are allowed to attack other dogs obviously don't give a stuff, so why on earth would they listen to a new law on walking a dog on a lead.

Often makes me wonder how common sense has managed to die out in the majority of the human race?

If someone told me I had to walk me dogs on a lead all the time and with a muzzle on I'd tell them where they could stick their muzzle!

Sorry Ailsa but however you put it, it just doesn't sit comfortably with me! I haven't witnessed an increase in dog on dog attacks in my area. If there is then I think it is more about teaching people to socialise and train their dogs - so instead of bringing in a Law to keep all dogs muzzled and on a lead, why not bring in a Law to make owners take their dogs to socialisation and training classes. Of course this won't ever happen, but I also hope a Law isn't brought in to muzzle dogs etc.

I wouldn't want to grow used to it. I would absolutely hate it - and, as I have said already, would fight it all the way.

Or we could really suggest something crazy like using the laws we ALREADY HAVE to punish the offenders and not every dog owner in the land

Now that IS crazy!!!!

Ian I agree that the existing laws should be used, but then a lot of it was knee jerk unworkable stuff.

It's great that loads of you have seen no increase in dog on dog attacks but i think you only need to read a lot of the threads on here to see that they do go on and IMO over the last 10 years have got worse and were reaching something of a crisis point.

You know what..something has to be done and something will be done, it's up to responsible dog owners to work together to devise something and campaign for it. Ultimately we will have to meet the anti dog brigade part way...so what would that involve?

I know its a tad off topic but, I saw a little bit of the news last week regarding a load of dogs that had been taken as they were fighting dogs,,,,, Now tell me if Im wrong I only caught a bit of it,,, but you seen the dogs on t.v I think there were about 6 or 8 in a large run/pen thing,,,,,,,
Not one had scars on it and if they are all fighting dogs how the hell could they be stuck in a cage together withoug a blood bath? they just looked bemused to me,,, I actuly felt quite sorry for them
I could have picked it up wrong but is this the type of images that others have seen of the dogs that were removed,,, I had expected single dogs in small runs, and the sight of a camera crew bringing out the inner demon in them,,,, or at least a few war wounds.....

Thank god for Moobli, Rips, Dougie and Willow...You have saved me for having to have my own rant Totally agree with you guys.

Ramble We modify dogs to fit in with human lives to a comfortable extent and they have done for centuries - we ask alot from our dogs to 'fit in' and in most all cases they do but now we are talking about taking away the ability to even have a good run for an hour or so a day - It's bullsh*t.

All I would see happening is dogs becoming less socialized and in some cases down right misserable. My boy is great off lead with other dogs but has fear aggression on lead. I use 'aggression' in the loose sense of the word because all he does is make noise and throw himself about. Things like head collars make him worse because he feels more restricted and more threatend and he acts out even more in them - it is something we are working on with him slow but sure - If I had to stick a muzzle on him it would set him back probably for good and also make him far worse - how will he ever get to meet a dog when he is calm and at ease? - definitly not a good way to help build his confidence.

Sorry but to me it just feels like giving dogs a prison sentence and owners that enjoy seeing dogs enjoy themselves one too - places to run dogs properly are ever decreasing I feel caged bird enough for that reason alone, I love to run and play with my dogs but to not even be able to let my dogs off lead in the spaces that thankfully do exist makes my blood boil too (moobli lol)

I'd also like to add I agree with the fine if it was because another dog received bad injuries from another but for those who would be backing this does it include even just scraps / scuffles? I'm pleased to say neither of my dogs have ever started anything in their lives and would rather run away from trouble but I know sometimes dogs will be dogs.

So now it's not even punish the deed not the breed but scrap that and punish ALL dogs and all owners?