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17-05-2013, 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox View Post
Of course you have a choice where to buy from, that's not the issue in my eyes, whether you think they over charge or not, it's simply down to knowing that what you are giving your pet, is what it says on the tin ...

Buying medication (without prescription) from obscure sites that are based in particular countries, and have no regulated control, is madness as far as I an concerned.

My pets are to precious to gamble with their health, just to save myself some pennies.
I couldn't agree more. I wouldn't do it for stuff for myself so I wouldn't do it for my dog. There is a lot of info and warnings out there about buying meds from 'iffy' sources.

You can buy safe meds online from approved companies - and lots of Americans buy their meds from Canada because they are so much cheaper. I buy online from a UK company (but costs in Cyprus are ludicrous and it is only Frontline I buy)
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17-05-2013, 02:37 PM
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It's not a few pennies! Our vet charged us £15 just for a prescription alone, we then had to pay for the medication itself on top! Metronidazole for giardia.

The drugs we have bought from abroad without a prescription are EXACTLY THE SAME DRUGS FROM EXACTLY THE SAME MANUFACTURER as the drugs purchased from overseas. Same packaging, same PIL, same manufacturer, no difference - just around half the price at least of what it would cost you to get a prescription from the vet and then fill it, or probably three quarters of the price if you bought the medication from the vet!
I think I would be changing vets, if they started charging for prescription as well as the drugs I have never heard of that before.

The point is, whether its a few pennies or pounds, buying drugs from unknown sources , is gamble I would not be willing to take.

Would you buy antibiotics from a market stall because they were cheaper than prescription prices, it may well look the same, have the same packaging and ingredients listed, but you really have no idea what's in them....would you really give them to your children or yourself, it's the same thing, you are buying cheap drugs, hoping the ingredients are what it says on the tin.... Not a gamble I would risk.
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17-05-2013, 04:13 PM
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I think I would be changing vets, if they started charging for prescription as well as the drugs I have never heard of that before.

The point is, whether its a few pennies or pounds, buying drugs from unknown sources , is gamble I would not be willing to take.

Would you buy antibiotics from a market stall because they were cheaper than prescription prices, it may well look the same, have the same packaging and ingredients listed, but you really have no idea what's in them....would you really give them to your children or yourself, it's the same thing, you are buying cheap drugs, hoping the ingredients are what it says on the tin.... Not a gamble I would risk.
Sorry - I didn't make myself clear. We got the prescription from the vet, but filled it ourselves cheaper on line. I was annoyed though because they had taken £40 off me for checking the boys over - fine, no problem with that, but I do think they could have thrown in the script for free!

My husband used to work for a pharmaceuticals company - he is more than capable of being able to read product information, PIL's, and sort the kosher from the non-kosher.
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17-05-2013, 09:01 PM
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Sorry - I didn't make myself clear. We got the prescription from the vet, but filled it ourselves cheaper on line. I was annoyed though because they had taken £40 off me for checking the boys over - fine, no problem with that, but I do think they could have thrown in the script for free!

My husband used to work for a pharmaceuticals company - he is more than capable of being able to read product information, PIL's, and sort the kosher from the non-kosher.
Reading what it says on the Labe does not mean that's what s in the box, your hubby may well be able to read the chaff from the wheat, but unless he tested the medication each time you bought it from your offshore sites, he is as clueless as anyone as to what's actually in it.

That's what those people who fake products do, they make it look kosher, but whether it is, well it's anyone's guess.
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18-05-2013, 08:03 AM
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Reading what it says on the Labe does not mean that's what s in the box, your hubby may well be able to read the chaff from the wheat, but unless he tested the medication each time you bought it from your offshore sites, he is as clueless as anyone as to what's actually in it.

That's what those people who fake products do, they make it look kosher, but whether it is, well it's anyone's guess.
A young British backpacker died after drinking poisonous methanol labelled as gin during a holiday of a lifetime.
‘It was in the original bottle with the gin label on it.
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19-05-2013, 11:26 PM
To answer the original question...yes you do need a prescription to buy advocate.

Sounds to me like you need to change vets Gnasher! They seem to be taking the p**s! My vets charge £28 for a consultation. £9 for a written prescription. Just the cost of the meds if purchasing from them.
When I buy advocate/wormer from my vet, I just turn up unannounced and ask for it. Receptionist, checks with vet it's ok, they print the labels(with patient details, dosage, etc), I pay and go.

I get written prescription for one tablet my dog needs for an auto immune disease he has, phone up to ask for it, collect it couple of days later and take to asda pharmacy where its way cheaper! That is a human drug though.

I never have to pay for or have a consultation fee if all I want is medication, that has been used before on my dog.

However you aqcuire your pet drugs is up to you, but I would think about switching vets, that could save you some money!!!
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20-05-2013, 05:59 AM
Originally Posted by Jackbox View Post
Reading what it says on the Labe does not mean that's what s in the box, your hubby may well be able to read the chaff from the wheat, but unless he tested the medication each time you bought it from your offshore sites, he is as clueless as anyone as to what's actually in it.

That's what those people who fake products do, they make it look kosher, but whether it is, well it's anyone's guess.
Fair enough - but I will continue to save myself a lot of money - safe in the knowledge that hubby has found a reliable and kosher source for any medications we need. No names no pack drill
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20-05-2013, 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox View Post
Reading what it says on the Labe does not mean that's what s in the box, your hubby may well be able to read the chaff from the wheat, but unless he tested the medication each time you bought it from your offshore sites, he is as clueless as anyone as to what's actually in it.

That's what those people who fake products do, they make it look kosher, but whether it is, well it's anyone's guess.
Precisely. Same with fake perfumes. Anyone who puts those on their SKIN

My son is a Chemist and he warns louder about all this than anyone else and not BELIEVING what the counterfeiters put on the labels. They are crooks after all, and breaking the law - whyever would you think they'd be TRUTHFUL?
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20-05-2013, 02:04 PM
From the WHO website:

Key facts

Spurious/falsely-labelled/falsified/counterfeit (SFFC) medicines are medicines that are deliberately and fraudulently mislabelled with respect to identity and/or source.
Use of SFFC medicines can result in treatment failure or even death.
Public confidence in health systems may be eroded following use and/or detection of SFFC medicines.
Both branded and generic products are subject to counterfeiting.
All kinds of medicines have been counterfeited, from medicines for the treatment of life-threatening conditions to inexpensive generic versions of painkillers and antihistamines.
SFFC medicines may include products with the correct ingredients or with the wrong ingredients, without active ingredients, with insufficient or too much active ingredient, or with fake packaging.
SFFC medicines are found everywhere in the world. They range from random mixtures of harmful toxic substances to inactive, ineffective preparations. Some contain a declared, active ingredient and look so similar to the genuine product that they deceive health professionals as well as patients. But in every case, the source of a SFFC medicine is unknown and its content unreliable. SFFC medicines are always illegal. They can result in treatment failure or even death. Eliminating them is a considerable public health challenge.
Full article and more info here:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs275/en/
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20-05-2013, 02:50 PM
agree with many people on here, so much rather stump up the cost and pay the premium vets charge on some products, dogs are far more valuable to me than any saving i could make ordering potentially dangerous drugs over the internet.
I'd find believing the packaging of them extremely foolish.
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