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04-03-2011, 10:14 PM
Many people have dogs that live like this, mine included. I still have not read one thing in your argument that requires the use of an E Collar, none.
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04-03-2011, 10:15 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher 
Mish, you know me better than this, stop being obtuse.
I don't know howOH always calls the dogs, because I am only with him at weekends. But at those times he calls them the same as I do, except his whistling is crap compared to mine! He uses the word Come, followed by his pathetic attempt at a whistle!
I have different types of whistle, all done through my front teeth. A long piercing whistle, if my first "toots" have not succeeded. I say the dog's name first, just once, to get his attention, followed by the Come word, and if necessary the toots, and then the long piercing whistle if I don't get a result. With Tai, I get a result, Gucci, mmm, sometimes, but he is not my dog, so I am not so concerned about him, it's up to my daughter to train her own dog. Ben, now, following the dreadfully cruel abusive treatment that he has had to suffer twice, always responds now, looks up at his name usually, responds to the Come word, because that is the trigger for a treat, and then if he hasn't already broken into a canter to come back to me, he gets the long piercing whistle.
I don't believe in repetition, if something hasn't worked once, then don't repeat it on that particular occasion.
Doubtless, everyone including your good self, will pick holes and tear MY preferred routine apart - I don't care, it is what I do, and it works, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it !!
AT least i HAVEN'T lost my sense of humour!!
Dogs need repetition (encouragement which is included in repetition I suppose) during training - obviously - until they know what they are being asked to do. Hence why it's called training, so they get better at what they are being asked to do.
So, if you have to use the e-collar again, you would only shock him once on that occasion and not again? If so, what then?
How strange. No wonder you haven't been able to train the dog more positively using more humane methods of training. No repetition, consistency or positive encouragement, it seems.
How sad, not to mention dangerous.
I hope the use of this collar doesn't come back to bite you on the a*se, with regards to Ben deciding to ignore you, the e-collar or whatever and running off.
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04-03-2011, 10:15 PM
Originally Posted by DevilDogz
Thats where you failed then, dogs dont learn things over night.. Repetition for me is important in helping the dog understand what is being asked of it. You cant try once and give up, trying a new method each time. Thats madness.
I should have said with commands.
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04-03-2011, 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
No, I would only think it cruel if you NEVER let your dog off a lead. My dogs are put onto their leads whenever we approach a road, when we go into pubs or other public places. Or of course where there is livestock.
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04-03-2011, 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
Mish, you know me better than this, stop being obtuse.
I don't know howOH always calls the dogs, because I am only with him at weekends. But at those times he calls them the same as I do, except his whistling is crap compared to mine! He uses the word Come, followed by his pathetic attempt at a whistle!
I have different types of whistle, all done through my front teeth. A long piercing whistle, if my first "toots" have not succeeded. I say the dog's name first, just once, to get his attention, followed by the Come word, and if necessary the toots, and then the long piercing whistle if I don't get a result. With Tai, I get a result, Gucci, mmm, sometimes, but he is not my dog, so I am not so concerned about him, it's up to my daughter to train her own dog. Ben, now, following the dreadfully cruel abusive treatment that he has had to suffer twice, always responds now, looks up at his name usually, responds to the Come word, because that is the trigger for a treat, and then if he hasn't already broken into a canter to come back to me, he gets the long piercing whistle.
I don't believe in repetition, if something hasn't worked once, then don't repeat it on that particular occasion.
Doubtless, everyone including your good self, will pick holes and tear MY preferred routine apart - I don't care, it is what I do, and it works, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it !!
AT least i HAVEN'T lost my sense of humour!!
Your posts leads me to state that you really have failed in a proper, constructive and reliable (for all of you, including Ben) training regime for Ben so that at least the poor bu**er knows where he is without you and your OH doing different things, then bringing in the cruel technique of an e-collar. As for picking apart your "routine" - what routine? You do not appear to have one. What the hell does that say to Ben?
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04-03-2011, 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
...but training ALL training is about repetition.....
I see now why you feel you failed at everything in the 6 months.
I've just read this after posting my previous post.