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21-02-2011, 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by spot View Post
I think for us oldies you're gonna have to explain that one Still not getting why those quotes by Crysania are so objectionable tho?

What is it about their ethics that you disagree with so strongly?
The funny farm song is on youtube if you do a search for it and can tolerate the tune enough to listen to the full thing.

As for their ethics:

"PETA's Dirty Secret

Hypocrisy is the mother of all credibility problems, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has it in spades. While loudly complaining about the "unethical" treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, the group has its own dirty little secret.

PETA kills animals. By the thousands.

From July 1998 through December 2009, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) killed over 23,000 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals." That's more than five defenseless creatures every day. PETA has a walk-in freezer to store the dead bodies, and contracts with a Virginia Beach company to cremate them.

Not counting the pets PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 90 percent of the animals it took in during the last five years. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.

Year Received† Adopted Killed Transferred % Killed % Adopted

2009 2,366 8 2,301 31 97.3 0.34
2008 2,216 7 2,124 34 95.8 0.32
2007 1,997 17 1,815 35 90.9 0.85
2006 3,061 12 2,981 46 97.4 0.39
2005 2,165 146 1,946 69 89.9 6.74
2004 2,655 361 2,278 1 85.8 13.60
2003 2,224 312 1,911 1 85.9 14.03
2002 2,680 382 2,298 2 85.7 14.25
2001 2,685 703 1,944 14 72.4 26.18
2000 2,681 624 2,029 28 75.7 23.27
1999 1,805 386 1,328 91 73.6 21.39
*1998 943 133 685 125 72.6 14.10

Total 27,478 3,091 23,640 477 86.0 11.25

* figures represent the second half of 1998 only
† other than spay/neuter animals
» Skeptical? Click here to see the proof.


On its 2002 federal income-tax return, PETA claimed a $9,370 write-off for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights activists don't eat meat or dairy foods. And during a 2007 criminal trial, a PETA manager (testifying under oath) confirmed the obvious -- that the group uses the appliance to store the bodies of its victims.

In 2000, when the Associated Press first noted PETA's Kervorkian-esque tendencies, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk complained that actually taking care of animals costs more than killing them. "We could become a no-kill shelter immediately," she admitted.

PETA kills animals. Because it has other financial priorities.

PETA rakes in nearly $30 million each year in income, much of it raised from pet owners who think their donations actually help animals. Instead, the group spends huge sums on programs equating people who eat chicken with Nazis, scaring young children away from drinking milk, recruiting children into the radical animal-rights lifestyle, and intimidating businessmen and their families in their own neighborhoods. PETA has also spent tens of thousands of dollars defending arsonists and other violent extremists.

PETA claims it engages in outrageous media-seeking stunts "for the animals." But which animals? Carping about the value of future two-piece dinners while administering lethal injections to puppies and kittens isn't ethical. It's hypocritical -- with a death toll that PETA would protest if it weren't their own doing.

PETA kills animals. And its leaders dare lecture the rest of us?"

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/shockingphotos.cfm
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21-02-2011, 02:03 PM
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http://www.petakillsanimals.com/shockingphotos.cfm
I wouldn't really quote a website with the address "petakillsanimals" as a reliable, unbias source though.

Again, I neither support nor am against PETA - I think both PETA and anti-PETA crusaders are making up lots of lies to make their points so I would be wary about anything I've head from either side.
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21-02-2011, 02:03 PM
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So which one of those statements do you disagree with?
Um...a lot of them?

Let's start with this one:

"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist."

Basically they're suggesting making the cat extinct.

And this one...

"It is time we demand an end to the misguided and abusive concept of animal ownership. The first step on this long, but just, road would be ending the concept of pet ownership."

I really don't consider animal ownership abusive. Yes some people abuse their animals, but I don't think owning an animal is abusive.


"I don't use the word 'pet.' I think it's speciest language. I prefer 'companion animal.' We would no longer allow... pet shops... Eventually companion animals would be phased out."

Companion animal, fine. But getting rid of them all? Not fine.

"Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete jungles- from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains by which we enslave it."

Still on the "let's make them extinct" and still on the "animals are our slaves" thing. Don't agree with either.


You really find none of those quotations objectionable?
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21-02-2011, 06:52 PM
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I wouldn't really quote a website with the address "petakillsanimals" as a reliable, unbias source though.

Again, I neither support nor am against PETA - I think both PETA and anti-PETA crusaders are making up lots of lies to make their points so I would be wary about anything I've head from either side.
I will presume that before writing off the site because of the web address, you infact took the time to look at it. Especially the pdf doc that can be accessed on the page containing the article I coppied. You know the pdf doc that contains the report for 2009, with a very long web address at the bottom of each page, so you can check the accuracy of the info for yourself.
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