Adam says he uses very cruel methods, Saffy. He boasts of having used electric shocks on abused dogs.
I hope he`s a troll.
However, he`s also very good at hijacking threads so maybe we could resist his attempts to take us OT?

I use e collars for many things. The sheep is pure avoidance, but used right you can build the recall so the dog comes back regardless (this would be hugely useful for Cain) and you can use them to build confidence in a certain situation as well, basically you associate the scary thing with stopping the sensation from the e collar when they approach it.This is the same princple as counter conditioning with treats but utilises the survival mode (which dogs already in) as opposed to food drive which tends to disappear under stress.
A video of similar work to what I do.
http://www.connectwithyourk9.com/vid...gression1.html

Adam

Well we just had an excellent walk this morning. I got up at 6am, left home by 6.30. It was still cool so we walked up to the one park where I can sometimes let him off. It's great walk when you can do the whole thing as it gives lots of variety. Cain had to heel on the short lead by the road for about 20 mins, then he gets about 20 mins walking on the flexilead over grass. then he gets hopefully off the park then the same on the way home. We still saw several dogs at that time of the morning. Got to the park and.....someone was in there

He obviously has the same problem as us as he clipped his dogs back on lead as soon as he saw us and as we walked by his terriers went beserk. I decided to wait him out though and after about 15 mins they left and we had the park to ourselves

Cain went off lead for a run. He retreived a tennis ball and actually bought it back, which is amazing as he normally gets bored and drops it half way. He chased a tennis ball three times and his squeaky balk three times before he lost interest and kay on the grass panting. See he only needs ten mins off lead with a really good run during a walk to make him happy, he is then happy to be on lead. It's just getting somewhere for even those ten mins.

We had a little rest then I did some training like sit-stays, recall, attention and some heelework and he did well until he lost interest as he was tired and hot. I got the lead our and he trotted over happily and sat so I could put it on, obviously happy to go home lol!

The river was deep on the way home so I let him go in and have a really good swim as it was deep enough that he could lose the bottom. He loved that. Now he's laying on my floor snoring and stinking of river water

if we could have a walk like this just twice a week I'd be happier. Will try again next Sunday. Off to research tennis courts and kennel yards today.

Is this the walled park opposite the Pets at Home in Brentford? If it isn't then that might not be too far for you, if not walkable certainly only a short bus ride. Let me know if you need more details.

Well done you for persevering. Pepper was almost permanently on a long line until she was 3 and intermittently thereafter so I know what it's like! and how the bad days feel I would really wish that she would understand that if I could only trust her she would be able to have a lot more freedom. She still gets silly occasionally.

In the meantime save up for driving lessons so you can give yourselves a few more options!

J.

it's a pity the football bit is only partially fenced in otherwise I could have let him off in there even if other dogs were about.

I took my rescue on from a private home as he was due to be pts. He had never met another dog apart from his litter brother and they fought constantly. The day I picked him up he had 15 stitches in his legs.
He lived for 15 years, had lovely walks on lead every day and competed in agility until he was 12.