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22-11-2009, 11:53 AM
Originally Posted by lilypup View Post
oh dear you really are a worrywort! just think, in a couple of days she will be home, stitches will be fine and you will be posting on here about how proud you are of your clever girl! it's no wonder you're in such good shape, all that nervous energy you have!!
yip

it is scary H,but sooo much better than a pyo with the odds stacked up against her,it is a routine op, but no vet takes it lightly.
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22-11-2009, 11:53 AM
You could just have an ovariectomy which is what Tala had done. They just remove the ovaries and leave the womb so the risk of bleeding is reduced. This is more common in Europe. The vet said it is just as effective in removing the risk of pyometra because there are no hormonal surges and I have seen research confirming this.
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22-11-2009, 11:58 AM
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You could just have an ovariectomy which is what Tala had done. They just remove the ovaries and leave the womb so the risk of bleeding is reduced. This is more common in Europe. The vet said it is just as effective in removing the risk of pyometra because there are no hormonal surges and I have seen research confirming this.
to be fair, things still can 'bleed out' i have been a v.n for 18years and have never(touch wood) lost a bitch through a routine spay,and i have assisted in a helluva lot!!!.
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22-11-2009, 12:01 PM
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Thanks Claire, the thing is, I don't really want to be busy, I'm one of those who has to sit it out in absolute agony, and I can't even answer the phone, I have to give them Dave's number at work, so that HE is the one who rings me or I see him walk through the door if ya know what I mean! Christ, I can't believe I'm thinking such awful thoughts when I should be feeling so very positive for her sake, and I'm also worrying myself to death with the aftermath, whether the stitches will come apart if she jumps up at Dave or anything, or if she's sick with the aneasthetic and makes that bp plummet again like that heart specialist told me happened that morning, oh I really must stop this, forget about it, and just get her there tomorrow and let the vet calm me down! I bet I panic too when they've given her the pre-med if she zonks out, I'll be going into headless chicken mode asking them if that's normal!!! I'm really bad yer know, but my excuse is I'm a Virgo, and we do everyone else's worrying for them at normal times,let alone at a time like this with a dog we adore! I know you understand though coz you've met me!!!! xxxxxxx

Oh dear H, I'm a Virgo too, so I feel your'e pain - you have to be positive though. keeping busy tommorrow is a good idea, even if you don't want to. Will be thinking of youxx
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22-11-2009, 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs View Post
to be fair, things still can 'bleed out' i have been a v.n for 18years and have never(touch wood) lost a bitch through a routine spay,and i have assisted in a helluva lot!!!.
Ahhhhhh, music to my ears!!!!!!!! Although I WILL ask about that one Talasie, it might be a good option, I've frightened meself to death now reading up on the "what can happen afterwards'es"!!!!! not forgetting I've already had one of those with my last bitch!

Lol at you Claire, I have enough nervous energy for everyone on here!

Good luck and thanks for that Mo, I hope you don't get yourself into my current state over Christmas with the thought of it on the 28th either!!!
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22-11-2009, 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by Helena54 View Post
Ahhhhhh, music to my ears!!!!!!!! Although I WILL ask about that one Talasie, it might be a good option, I've frightened meself to death now reading up on the "what can happen afterwards'es"!!!!! not forgetting I've already had one of those with my last bitch!

Lol at you Claire, I have enough nervous energy for everyone on here!

Good luck and thanks for that Mo, I hope you don't get yourself into my current state over Christmas with the thought of it on the 28th either!!!
Good luck H, all will be fine.
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22-11-2009, 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs View Post
yip

it is scary H,but sooo much better than a pyo with the odds stacked up against her,it is a routine op, but no vet takes it lightly.
The decision to spay or not is of course something only the bitches owner can decide after weighing up all the pros and cons.

Having lost bitches with pyometra and being aware of the high incidence of pyo in un spayed bitches I would always get a bitch spayed (this decision is also influenced by the fact that there are difficulties keeping an intact bitch where there are lots of people around with male dogs ).

There are of course risks involved with any operation particularly one involving a general anaesthetic and a small percentage of bitches do have serious complications.

However operating on a fit and health puppy for my carries less risk than leaving a bitch intact and risking pyometra . This dreadful condition doesn't always show any symptoms until the bitch has already developed an infected womb full of puss. You are then faced with having to operate on a sick bitch to save her life and there is a risk of septicaemia.

No one likes to put a puppy through an unnecessary operation but for me the decision to spay a bitch is the most sensible option.
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22-11-2009, 01:54 PM
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Having lost bitches with pyometra and being aware of the high incidence of pyo in un spayed bitches I would always get a bitch spayed
We've had both our bitches speyed and the vet said when he did Rianna that he found something on her which in a years time would have been very serious. Due to the language difficulty I'm still not sure if it was the start of Pyometra or some other nasty disease but I'm well pleased we took the decision. She's nearly 5 now and a healthy happy little dog. (Well not so little at 58Kgs )

BTW I used some of your posts of three years ago to persuade OH to have them both done.
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22-11-2009, 02:29 PM
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We've had both our bitches speyed and the vet said when he did Rianna that he found something on her which in a years time would have been very serious. Due to the language difficulty I'm still not sure if it was the start of Pyometra or some other nasty disease but I'm well pleased we took the decision. She's nearly 5 now and a healthy happy little dog. (Well not so little at 58Kgs )

BTW I used some of your posts of three years ago to persuade OH to have them both done.
Hi Losos I understand with each successive season the lining of a bitches uterus thickens and cysts form, these excrete a fluid which is ideal for bacteria to breed in.

When a bitch comes in season the pathway to the uterus is open allowing bacteria to gain entry , this is how a pyometra can begin.
I would guess what your vet saw was the thickening of the uterine tissue and maybe the formation of cysts.
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22-11-2009, 02:38 PM
I havnt read through every answer on here but personally there is no way i'd want my dogs in the vets overnight unless absolutely necessary.
The reasons being that most vets dont have someone monitoring the dog ALL night..just every so often. Also i think its better for the dog to come home dopey and meet the other dogs in that state..and other family members rather than the next day being wide awake and excited and theres more chance of damaging stitches.
And the fact that i know my dogs would not be happy away from me.

With regards to her getting excited over dave coming home...i wouldnt bet on it- she will prob still be way to dopey and uncomfortable to.
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