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08-10-2010, 05:47 PM
Originally Posted by katandcolin 
Agreed whole heartedly!
I'd rather have a puppy anyday, no maternal instincts here
Afterall, you can't tell your toddler to get in its bed, mummy's going out can yer!!!!
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08-10-2010, 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Helena54
and seconded by me!!!!
I'd rather have a puppy anyday, no maternal instincts here
Afterall, you can't tell your toddler to get in its bed, mummy's going out can yer!!!!
True, but I have never been able to do that with Mr Loki either, pain in the bum that he is.
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08-10-2010, 06:08 PM
I had a blood clot and so Ben was born two months early. We could both had died and Ben spent two months in SCBU until he was big and strong enough to come home. He sometimes drives me to distraction, but I love him to bits and am just happy and thankful he is here with me today
Children, for the most part, are a blessing.Having said that, one is enough for me and I have no plans on having any more!
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08-10-2010, 06:19 PM
Originally Posted by akitagirl
I think it's bloomin marvellous that the government has finally started to mention 'afford' and 'children' in the same sentence. I don't understand why people purposefully have kids when they can't really afford them without relying on benefits, it REALLY bugs me actually!!!(don't shout -yes, there are loads of circumstances where people need benefits to bring up children too which I accept).
I've gotten 'broody' many times over the past 5/6 years but know I want everything to be perfect, good job, family home and no stress financial wise before we start having kids.
I can afford 3 kids
Hence why I've kicked everything off to a good start career/house wise, and waited till I'm 28 to get married then...........
Completely agree with the above, its about time this "I can have what I want and the state will pay for it" culture is brought to the attention of the powers that be,
Have as many kids as you like, but dont expect the state to pay for them all.
Originally Posted by Cachapman710
Can I just ask the few of you who mentioned sponging off benefits, do you not claim Child Benefit yourselves, non of you claim child tax credits?
I claimed my "family allowance" for my two when they where eligible, I worked, my hubby work,s he pays his taxes and I have no qualms about it .
Or are you lucky enough to be on a fantastic wage? Down in Cornwall where I live you are extremely lucky to be on anything higher than minimum wage. Some of us have no choice but to claim benefits.
It is not right for a family on benefits to have a higher income than those who work,
The talk of a £500 cap on benefits could a very good move, it will 1) stop people churning out the number of kids to equal the amount of benefits or a bigger house, 2) hopefully it might , just might instill some much needed morality and self respect into the children of those who "scrounge" on the state, it might teach them, that to get on in life one has to earn a living, it might teach the parents that for once in their life , if they want a new wide screen TV, they have to earn the money to get it.
If you have 10 children and a 3 bedroom house, why should you expect a 5 bedroom house, your kids will have to double, triple up , if you cant afford the best designer gear, tuff, you live to your means.........like every one else does who earns a living a family getting £95 grand a yr in benefits is a slap in the face of hard working people, I wonder at what number they would have stopped at if the cap was £500
I beleive strongly in our benefit system, its there for a reason, but the reason HAS to be for those who need it ,NOT those who abuse it!
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08-10-2010, 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
I have two children, a boy and a girl, there was a time when we thought about having another , but never did , so am happy with what I have
Completely agree with the above, its about time this "I can have what I want and the state will pay for it" culture is brought to the attention of the powers that be,
Have as many kids as you like, but dont expect the state to pay for them all.
The benefit system is there to HELP those in need, it is NOT (OR SHOULD NOT) be there to support a lifestyle,
It is not right for a family on benefits to have a higher income than those who work,
The talk of a £500 cap on benefits could a very good move, it will 1) stop people churning out the number of kids to equal the amount of benefits or a bigger house, 2) hopefully it might , just might instill some much needed morality and self respect into the children of those who "scrounge" on the state, it might teach them, that to get on in life one has to earn a living, it might teach the parents that for once in their life , if they want a new wide screen TV, they have to earn the money to get it.
If you have 10 children and a 3 bedroom house, why should you expect a 5 bedroom house, your kids will have to double, triple up , if you cant afford the best designer gear, tuff, you live to your means.........like every one else does who earns a living a family getting £95 grand a yr in benefits is a slap in the face of hard working people, I wonder at what number they would have stopped at if the cap was £500
I beleive strongly in our benefit system, its there for a reason, but the reason HAS to be for those who need it ,NOT those who abuse it!
Well said.
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08-10-2010, 06:49 PM
Completely agree with Jackbox re: benefits also
Dee
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08-10-2010, 07:02 PM
I still do get broody....but only for another puppy!!!
J.
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08-10-2010, 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
I have two children, a boy and a girl, there was a time when we thought about having another , but never did , so am happy with what I have
Completely agree with the above, its about time this "I can have what I want and the state will pay for it" culture is brought to the attention of the powers that be,
Have as many kids as you like, but dont expect the state to pay for them all.
The benefit system is there to HELP those in need, it is NOT (OR SHOULD NOT) be there to support a lifestyle,
It is not right for a family on benefits to have a higher income than those who work,
The talk of a £500 cap on benefits could a very good move, it will 1) stop people churning out the number of kids to equal the amount of benefits or a bigger house, 2) hopefully it might , just might instill some much needed morality and self respect into the children of those who "scrounge" on the state, it might teach them, that to get on in life one has to earn a living, it might teach the parents that for once in their life , if they want a new wide screen TV, they have to earn the money to get it.
If you have 10 children and a 3 bedroom house, why should you expect a 5 bedroom house, your kids will have to double, triple up , if you cant afford the best designer gear, tuff, you live to your means.........like every one else does who earns a living a family getting £95 grand a yr in benefits is a slap in the face of hard working people, I wonder at what number they would have stopped at if the cap was £500
I beleive strongly in our benefit system, its there for a reason, but the reason HAS to be for those who need it ,NOT those who abuse it!
Originally Posted by katandcolin
Agree Westie_N
There is a choice, which is why I am choosing at this stage not to have kids as I cannot afford to! What saddens me is that this may not ever change...
That said if you are working with children, and then find yourself out of work that is what benefts are there for - to help you while you are looking for something else.
IMO benefits are not there to allow people who are fit to work, not to work, whether they have children or not.
and if you can work and, means tested, it is not enough for your existing family then I see nothing worng with a top up from the government.
What really gets to me is when people DECIDE to have more children KNOWING they cannot afford them (and by they I mean self funded!) But no they chose to go ahead having kids anyway knowing the government will 'pay' for them
something inherently wrong in our welfare system.
No wonder we are in so much debt and yet the government sees fit for hard working public servants and the like to lose there jobs thus making the system have to pay out again
I wish i had a magic wand!!
Emotive subject this isnt it? xxxx
Originally Posted by Cachapman710
Can I just ask the few of you who mentioned sponging off benefits, do you not claim Child Benefit yourselves, non of you claim child tax credits?
Or are you lucky enough to be on a fantastic wage? Down in Cornwall where I live you are extremely lucky to be on anything higher than minimum wage. Some of us have no choice but to claim benefits.
We have 3 children, which is all we can afford, if we won the lottery tomorrow then yes we would have a few more
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08-10-2010, 09:09 PM
Surely it is wrong that working families can't afford these LUXURIES? Makes me sick
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