I will try take this oppotunity to answer all the questions put to me as best i can.

I dont use any violence with anyone/thing, i have never beleived in it. I think you misunderstand the techniques completely. As i have said before i have tried lots of different methods with real interest and open mindedness.
I first came across CM type behavior work, by another behavourist using the same methods and since have enjoyed watching CM on the TV. I observed and tried them, i felt comfortable in them, and above all my dogs reacted well to them. As have i with friends and family and foster dogs. i judge each dog individually and have dealt with some very traumatised soles, who would obviously not react in a positive way to violence or aggression.
I have used the Alpha roll and pinning with my sisters German Sheperd, she has tried trainer after trainer, all with different ideas, but no success. the GS jumps up with so much force he has knocked her and others over consistent with the ideas of the trainers etc but this was escalating out of control. We took advise from a trainer we new after discussion about motivation, circumstances etc and used the Alpha Roll. This is not used with either aggression or jumping on the dog. its about energy, calmness and i think this is where people get confused. I would never jump on a dog or use body weight. I use my hands and my calm energy to roll the dog down. we did this twice initially with great success, he reacted so well and his whole behaviour relaxed.
since then it was used one last time and now for many months we have had no jumping up.
I understand that this may not be for everyone, but i feel very comfortable with these methods. I dont use them willy nilly, this has been the first occasion where it has felt neccesary to use either pinning or the Alpha roll.
I am not a trainer nor do i want to be, but i do want what is best for the animals i have cared for. all of which i am in contact with and are thriving.
For the person with the pup that had the aggressive exp, what you describe is not the Alpha roll, but someone using their body to force an animal to the ground by extreme force. I do not agree with this.

As for my proffession, no i would not do this with a child as im dealing with dogs not children and although my dogs are like children to me they are not children.
I have had to restrain children before in absolute desperate situations where their lives have been at risk, but again this has to come from a calm place and as with work with my dogs, there is no point even trying to work when you are on edge or anxious etc.

Thank you.

I have never seen him choking an animal!

you must be very selective then because most other people have-
have a look here..(It shows three of the most common methods Millan uses to get a dog who is dog-aggressive to stop responding to a dog passing by. The methods are asphyxiation, flooding (physically crossing the dog's threshold until he's too exhausted to respond), and alpha rolling. At one point you can hear the dog choking for air. I'm sure there was a lot of editing. WARNING: this video may upset sensitive viewers.
http://www.culturepush.org/?q=node/373

oops- it appears the Nat. Geo. Channel have had it removed.

or...
"these are purely to show the people out there that say they never see Cesar mistreat a dog or choke a dog etc. Here are a few video clips that show: Cesar hitting a dog who is showing calming signals of licking its mouth and laying its head down, choking dogs until they submit from pure exhaustation, using a painful pressure point to hold a dog down, alpha rolling, lifting a dog by its scruff and yanking so hard with the makeshift choke that the dog is lifted from the ground."
eta - sorry - apparently these have been `removed`too! . But I`m sure you get the idea. I`ll see if I can get hold of them....

yeyy! finally - about 20 clips removed later...
I`ll put in the link because the comments are interesting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sophia..._b_204482.html

he does it frequently. some of his fans choose to refer to it as 'the dog is having a tantrum'.

Hi tinkladyv , what I'd really like to know, if you feel you could share, is what is your reasoning behind alpha rolling?
It's a question I've asked before and no one has ever answered.

I suspect we can guess as to why NG have had it removed.... because they've noticed there have been a lot of comments over the past few months about this particular episode! and because yes, CM does appear to choke this dog - dog's tongue appeared blue and his penis was engorged which can show asphyxiation

It seems that they cannot stand by the courage of their convictions.... if indeed it has been removed.

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Also he loops a standard lead and positions it high up on the head. This is v uncomfortable for dogs and is it any wonder that they suddenly look like they are walking to heel?

Is he improving? He certainly needs to. In the light of recent studies and evidence he should take a few years out and re-educate himself as many other top trainers have had to do.

That's a good link there ClaireandDaisy.

Here's some of the comments from the article:

!As Dog Bite Prevention week is being recognized across the United States, experts agree that one of the contributing factors to the 4.7 million dog bites that occur each year may be owners mimicking what they see on T.V.

Dr. Jennie Jamtgaard, an applied animal behavior consultant and behavior instructor at Colorado State University College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences gives an example.

"I saw an Australian Cattledog mix with severe aggression (lunging, growling, barking) directed at other dogs whenever they came into view, even hundreds of feet away. The dog was fine with people and had never been aggressive to people before. The owners watched the Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan regularly and dealt with the dog in a completely punishment-based way. They repeatedly tried to physically subdue the dog whenever it was aggressive. Finally, at PetSmart, the dog growled and lunged, and when the female owner tried to force the dog down, she was bitten on the arm. That was when they called me."

Another one:

" Dr. Kathy Meyer, president of the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior (AVSAB), describes a case she saw.

Last year I consulted with an owner who was having trouble with his Shar-Pei becoming aggressive toward the dog-walker when on walks. The owner had no trouble with his dog on-lead outdoors, but the walker complained of escalating aggression. Upon further discussion, it was discovered that the walker claimed he was utilizing some methods demonstrated by Cesar Millan on the Dog Whisperer. Instead of walking the dog on a loose lead, he would place a choke collar high up on the dog's neck, where it is the most painful and can shut off the airway. When the dog didn't respond to a command, he would punish the dog by tightening the collar, even lifting the dog's front feet off of the ground. As the punishment escalated, the dog began to growl, snarl, and snap at the walker. The walker even began to take a tennis racket on walks to try to subdue the dog when he became aggressive, a technique he saw on Millan's televised show.

My advice was simple. Find another dog-walker who knew how to calmly walk the dog on a loose lead and did not try to intimidate him. A new walker was introduced and the dog continues to do well, with no aggression on walks".

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sophia..._b_204482.html


The thing is, there will always be biddable dogs who will respond to the odd alpha roll with no bad reaction - but some owners who use CMs techniques are going to get hurt (and maybe the dog, through no fault of it's own, get pts ).

Besides, whatever happened to compassion, kindness and a willingness to learn how to train a dog? Society is so quick fix these days, one reason perhaps that so many like the idea of being pack leader and being another CM.

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I found one reason why NGC are sensitive about the clip - the American Humane Assoc. (US version of the RSPCA) protested about his methods, and demanded they not show this episode - http://www.americanhumane.org/about-...whisperer.html

Thankyou

It would be interesting to know so much more, but I know it's hard via the internet. I'd like to know how the dog was socialised, trained, what equipment was used (what collar or harness) what happened immediately before to make the dog jump up etc etc etc. So many things. Also,there are many ways to give a consequence to a dog (even in reward training) than alpha rolling.

Alpha rolling is usually done by one wolf to another if the intention is to kill; that's why it can sometimes have an effect of quietening(which can also be a dog too afraid to do much except be quiet, depends on the circumstances/trainers/owners). Sometimes wolves will intimidate a dog to alpha roll and it is usually one wolf offering this behaviour. Also we have to remember that extrapolating wolf behaviour to dog behaviour is fraught with problems and not in line with modern research.

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