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Location: Dogsey and Worcestershire
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26-08-2008, 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by Brundog 
a bit defeatist isnt it - so it will never work so we just wont bother. If i was a breeder and took it seriously and loved my breed and was breeding to better the breed AND if I knew that someone else in the breed club wasnt doing any testing and was inbreeding therefore destroying the breed i loved etc etc - I would shout them down - too right I would. thats what everyones morals should tell them to do.
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! Did I say we shouldn't bother trying? I am not a breeder and haven't been involved with breeding for many years . When looking to acquire a puppy myself recently I had a good look around all over the place to see just who was doing what and I found a couple of very odd things going on. I have 'taken action' on the things I found in a number of ways and at least one other breeder friend of mine having been told about it is doing the same.
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Location: Derbyshire.....the walking county
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26-08-2008, 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by Paddywack
I'm afraid I have little faith in the breed clubs. Taking for example the BBC programme, you had the CKCS club defending the breeder knowingly breeding from a dog with SM. The Rodesian Ridgeback club only rethinking the cull on ridgeless pups once the KC due to media attention asked them to remove their cull policy from their website. The head of the Basset club saying he would never breed a dog like the one shown to him in the photo - what never breed a healthy basset?? he would rather have their stomachs rubbing along the floor and so much skin they'll suffer with extreme bouts of dermatitis. Sorry it just makes me so angry, why are people shutting their eyes.
breed stud books will reveal all the inter breeding.
there is one point that keeps cropping up and thats MONEY.
wether its the breeders or the KC, it all boils down to this one point.
until dogs become an animal in their own right and not a comoditity then unfortunately this will continue to be a money making business
. BUT, i do think thing are now starting to be done, baby steps for now but at least its a start.
i for one, am still angry about what this programme highlighted and i'm trying not to become too emotional about what i write without getting banned.
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Location: Sussex UK
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26-08-2008, 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Louise13
They also showed very "old school" breeders with regard to the RR's..
WHo are very set in their ways and don't do change
Mary
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Location: Oldham, UK
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26-08-2008, 10:48 PM
The goals of the club:
1. To breed German shepherd dogs that are true in character, health and performance.
2. To promote and encourage work with the German shepherd.
3. To encourage private owners of German shepherds to work with their dogs.
4. To educate to correct, trustworthy and honest cynology.
5. To define an international language relating to character and conformation. Therefore, I have developed a ranking that includes the important temperament characteristics and drives, and a scale to describe the degrees precisely.
6. Refreshing of blood lines in the breed.
7. Competitions.
8. Registration of German shepherd dogs in one stud book.
9. International cooperation for the promotion of the breed.
Amateurs or professionals – if you agree with my opinions and want to be part of the most important cynological process in the last hundred years, I call to you to join us.
http://dog.co.il/gsdnew/gsdnew/iwgsdc.htm
I have been sent an excellent article by him published in Das Schaferhund Magazin in German & English if any one wants a copy send me your email address. Amnon's Breeding Selection Test (ABST)
Pam
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Location: england
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30-08-2008, 10:59 PM
Originally Posted by Azz
So have there been any changes since?
Any more statements from the KC?
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Location: Peterborough UK
Joined: May 2008
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31-08-2008, 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by Ripsnorterthe2nd
To be fair the majority haven't, but people can be quick to forget that that programme showed a small selection of the worst breeders on Earth, but that doesn't mean we're all like that.
Remember the green cross code. STOP, LOOK< LISTEN
It is so easy to fire up a lynch mob in this country that reasoned arguement rarely gets a look in
She turned me into a newt
( Monty Python)
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Location: UK
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02-09-2008, 11:31 AM
Originally Posted by Azz
So have there been any changes since?
Any more statements from the KC?
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Location: UK
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02-09-2008, 11:33 AM
But don't take my word for it. You can read The Kennel Club's own web site and find the results of their own breeder's survey (PDF).
In that survey The Kennel Club notes that "Health information was reported for 36,006 live dogs, of which 22,540 (62.6%) were healthy, and 13,466 (37.4%) had at least one reported health condition."
More than 37% of dogs had "at least one" health condition???
Wow!
When you consider that the average age of the dogs in question (healthy and unhealthy dogs combined) was just 5 years old, what you are looking at here is an extraordinary level of disease, deformity, and misery in Kennel Club dogs.
But apparently, Ms Caroline Kisko does not care about that truth.
No, she is paid to do a job, and never mind the dogs. She has been given her marching orders.
http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com...covenient.html
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