Thank you Mini, just backs up what I already thought. The high amount of dogs I personally know of who are not KC registered infact are not KC recognised breeds that have been xrayed and scored too led me to believe what has just been noted.

Thank You
Laura

I take it then Archer, Nursey & those who were adamant & very vocal that certain tests like hip scoring on non KC reg dogs or non KC recognised dogs can actually be done not just x-rayed by results obtained have realised it can now be done? Just curious as there was lots of argument that it could not then after Mini's post not a peep

This is not the case though Archer, I know somebody with a non KC registered dog infact a non KC recognised breed who has BVA papers scoring his dog which was hip scored. I am just curious if you have changed your minds?

Not sure exactly what your post means, can you explain for the likes of me please. Thanks

right ok hip scoring can be done on unreg dogs but in these unreg dogs who has decided or done the research into what the Breed Mean Score for the hips of these unreg dogs should be

And one lot of scoring would do for as many animals as you like to say, without registration or identification it is pointless, guess if all unregistered dogs who were scored where tattooed at the same time there may be some sense in it.

Scoring without the publishing and collating of the results - what is the point, it tells you nothing, except that the owner of a dog has a hip score certificate or an eye test result, the dog they refer to could be any dog of approximately the correct age and breed, always assuming they are a breed.

So it is pointless for unregistered dogs. Geez you cant win, I mean you get people banging on about the fact that most unregistered dogs are not health tested then when you do get owners doing it you get people telling you it is pointless. Has it never occured that breed clubs may actually collate results?

I was reading somewhere else on an AB board that they have their own good range of scores, perhaps somebody with a breed that is not recognised could come on and tell us how they do it?

the point of getting dogs hip scored is so that when you are breeding you breed of dogs that have a hip score well below the Breed Mean Score for hips so that you reduce the risk of hip probs
...in the case of kc dogs this is published in the breed supplement every three months for everyboby to see what dogs have been tested and what the scores are
Hip scoring is a once in a lifetime test and will only be carried out on a dog once
Also a dog can be hip scored and have hips that will never cause it problems but because of its hip score it should never be bred from
in the case a the AB i think it is the only unreg dog that has a Breed mean score... it would take me to look that up because this is off the cuff i could also put up what i remember as the ABs Breed mean score but it would be off the cuff to and i wouldnt like to be quoted wrongly
Up to the 10/1/05 from the hip scoring scheme started only 154 AB have been hip scored .....will be back later if anybody wants more info

Laura, I hear what you say but how would the breed clubs, if there is such a thing, know to which dogs the certificate belongs and how would anyone be able to trace a pedigree back with any confidence if that was not known.

The breed clubs, where appropriate, would know to which dog the certificate belongs I guess because the dogs full name is put on the certificate as it would be with a KC reg dog it's just they dont have a registration number and their statistics are not used on the KC database (if you want to see an example of some (BVA) results from a non KC reg dog please email me). I suppose it could be made very difficult for non-KC breeds but I respect those who actually bother to have their dogs health tested whether they are KC reg dogs or not.

I guess what this boils down to is those who believe that all dogs should be KC registered and those who dont (at least it seems that way from where i am sitting - lots of nit picking). I dont necessarily think the KC is a bad thing and I am certainly not a
nti-KC but there seems to be an attitude from certain areas that unless it is KC well nothing it has done is proper or the dog is less likely to be healthy or a good example (not directed at you btw just an observation). At the end of the day whether the dogs are registered or not shoudl make no difference what we should be looking at and commeding is those breders who as standard do the necessary health checks on their dogs registered or unregistered. I guess you could pick away at more points as to how the non-KC dogs cant have everything done the right way or what the problems are, for me it could go on & on the most important thing as with everything is that the right thing is being done by the dogs...[/u]

My vet always asks to see the KC registration and scans the dog if it is chipped. If the names are not registered how can any one follow a line back even 10 years let alone 20, people will use the same names and we all know how easy it is to forget which dog was sired by which dog, and that dog by which dam, without the formal paper work and database confusion is bound to set in.

This has nothing to do with if a breed is KC registered or not, it is whether it is possible to have accurate record if the breed is not registered. All breeds that are registered by a recognised kennel association are recognised by the KC so perhaps if your breed is one of those, you and I should be asking that a system to cover them is devised, perhaps the KC/BVA scheme should issue a registration for health testing purposes and they could then keep proper records. Perhaps your breed club would like to start the ball rolling and try to get this anomaly sorted.

My only point is, if the system used can’t in the most part be trusted it is a waste of time to do the testing except for ones own records as only the owner of the dog will know if the certificate they are shown belongs to the dog in question or it that dog is the sire of a particular pup or the progeny of the animals shown on a home produced pedigree.