Well, if you think of my dog doing all that anyway, as a pet. Imagine the work involved in keeping him 'in check' if I was to 'exaggerate' maybe thats not the right word..em, develop and encourage his intuitions even further.....I'm in no way against PP dogs in the right hands btw (just wanted people to know that)

Yes, I think the reason my dog has managed all that 'as a pet' is the fact that he is of a breed that was bred specifically to protect their handler. I think the reason I feel safe about him not harming anyone without reason is because he was so heavily socialised in so many situations, not that I should train him in PP, if you see what I mean.

I'm actually interested in reading about PP now as it is what the Dobe was bred for. It was the breed that was not adapted, for example from herding and then the guarding instinct used....but they were bred for the purpose of guarding their handler (originally). I do think for the amount of Dobe pups in the UK, how many are from working lines? or regardless of pedigree, bred from dogs with the right temprement? So perhaps many dobe owners wouldnt be as lucky as I have been? (I mean in temprement) When my dog was just a young pup it was more a matter of taking out the guard than putting in, which I think is great but then in the wrong hands, I suppose thats the 'dangerous dog' if you know what I mean, so I suppose you could say he is trained but unlike a dog trained in PP he has not been trained to physically 'hold' a 'threat' on command.

Work in something natural to them... well, theres Sch, WT, PP.....I think it would depend on the dog and the trainer. If a Dobe has the temprement and enjoys any of these then go for it, it can only be a good thing! (in the right hands and any other breed for that matter)



A good dobe temprement should be protective not fear reactive to someone approaching

Any breed or dog that is a natural 'guard' with a good solid temprement I think will enjoy 'doing what comes naturally' but do I think anyone that owns a GSD, Rott, Dobe etc should start training in PP - no.
a PP dog is great but isnt something to enter into lightly IMO and from what I have heard from someone who has not only owned but trained in PP

i appreciate wht you are saying but i didnt mean specificly dobes and i didnt mention 'fear reactive'

If a Dobe has the temprement and enjoys any of these then go for it, it can only be a good thing! (in the right hands and any other breed for that matter)

What dogs do you have there now nicci??

Dobermann, Cane Corso, Bullmastiff, rescue X Breed and a MinPin!

Not a peep out of them on Wednesday evening!

Heard someone round the back trying to force my gate (not a peep out the dogs, nothing not so much as a whimper or a bark!) so got up by the time I'd made it up to open the back door security light came on and the house was being bombarded with apples!! Went out with the dogs and a torch because security light doesn't light up the whole of the garden as it's huge had a look around the garden, in the sheds, greenhouses, nothing so looked over the fencing there was a figure on the common opposite house throwing the things!! Which had made me think it was all planned, no apple tree's in the area as far as I am aware and certainly non on that common as I run my dogs there everyday! - but what a strange thing to do and carry round with you! Made a right flaming mess with them too they we're spattered all up my windows, back door, all over the conservatory and everywhere in the patio area This was 11.45pm.

Police came that night like hours after I called them , they did nothing either they we're more worried about my dogs ''attacking them'' No worries there though I stand testament to my dogs being damn well as useless as they we're!! Still love em though!!

Interesting to see how thread is panning out.

There is a use in life for pp dogs - they are NOT 'teeth on a leash' and are more often that not part of the family.

A lot of the time, if the dog is well trained, no-one knows it's role - unless they are an agressor and asking for trouble.

There are a couple of folks on here who do have them. As long as you maintain their training on a regular basis to keep them up to scratch and you as their owner up to date on handling and commands then you have a very powerful confidence giver in your dog. If you don't - then you have just got an extrmely expensive pet.

To me, there is no point sending your dog away to get trained - you need trained alongside it, so you know what to expect. A good company will carry out this handover ensuring you know what you are doing before they let you take one of their dogs.

Unfortunately there are scumbags out there professing to sell pp dogs and they are actually dogs with problems and that have bitten children etc - can't put their website but safe to say - anyone wanting a pp dog should do their homework thoroughly and visit the establishment before even thinking of purchasing a dog.

their dogs cost about as much asyou pay for you're pedigree KC Bulldog

I'm not up on bulldog prices but I would think about paying what you can afford? You might just find you only get what you pay for.

awfull thing to happen... but u gotta laugh bout your dogs, bless

I think in the wrong hands these dogs could be lethal

TBH, I don't see or understand why anyone would want a PP dog 'ready trained'? It's like loading a grenade and giving it to a member of the public!