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02-03-2011, 11:27 AM
Originally Posted by MississippiRick 
I really don't even know why this thread even comes up. Everyone has their different opinions. This is my opinion, and many of you will not like it. Its just my two cents worth, if you don't like it, give me a penny back and go on your way.
If the only way you can seem to train a dog is with an E collar, shock collar, stimulas collar, vibrating collar, whatever you want to call it, then you really need some useful hobby, because you sure don't need a dog..........
also, refreshing to me for two reasons...1- you are in the usa 2- you have a mali
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02-03-2011, 02:04 PM
Evil things.
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12-03-2011, 08:13 PM
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12-03-2011, 09:28 PM
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12-03-2011, 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by scottyvdub
there is a lot of shock collar stuff flying around at the mo,
im fine with correcting a dog with a touch or a lead tug, and if an e collar from what i have read can be adjusted power wise from just feeling it to, ouch that hurts, was used on a setting that was no worse than a lead tug, then are they that bad,.......
It bl**dy well hurts having had one used on me. I use a Tens Machine a lot on quite a high stim & that is nothing to compared to using an e collar around the neck on a dog. The nerves in the neck transmit the pain quicker than putting it around a human arm or leg.
I don't correct by tugging the lead & collar nor by handling/touching-voice & signal only
BTW I also have quite a high pain threshold as do many dogs, I walked half a mile on a broken ankle when I was a youngster !
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13-03-2011, 01:02 AM
The e-collar that I have goes from 1-100. I can't even feel it until I get to about 25-30 and then its little more than a tickle. I've been using collars for 10 yrs. I use it as a tap on the shoulder and to mean "pay attention". YES I DO put it on my wrist each time BEFORE I use it to ensure that it is functioning properly. The collar allows my dogs a freedom that MOST other dogs will never know. We can go hiking off leash or work off leash in a crowded park with complete confidence that if a sudden distraction appears I can call the dog off any rabbit or deer that might jump out. There is NO other way to immediately give a dog information/direction at great distances and enforce that direction if needed.SO many purely positive trainers advocate "vibration" collars but my dogs who work on a 25-30 will give HUGE stress signals /jump/yelp if the pager feature on my collar is used.
The MAIN thing to remember in dog training is that it is the DOG and not the PERSON who determines what is a reward and what is aversive!!
kelly
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13-03-2011, 01:18 AM
Originally Posted by kycanine
The e-collar that I have goes from 1-100. I can't even feel it until I get to about 25-30 and then its little more than a tickle...........................kelly
Answer is no so putting on your wrist is not the way to judge the amount of pain it transmits. Put it around your neck just under the chin & turn it up, it will be more than a"tickle"
If the only way you can train a dog is by aversion then you shouldn't have a dog
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13-03-2011, 09:13 AM
Originally Posted by kycanine
The e-collar that I have goes from 1-100. I can't even feel it until I get to about 25-30 and then its little more than a tickle. I've been using collars for 10 yrs. I use it as a tap on the shoulder and to mean "pay attention". YES I DO put it on my wrist each time BEFORE I use it to ensure that it is functioning properly. The collar allows my dogs a freedom that MOST other dogs will never know. We can go hiking off leash or work off leash in a crowded park with complete confidence that if a sudden distraction appears I can call the dog off any rabbit or deer that might jump out. There is NO other way to immediately give a dog information/direction at great distances and enforce that direction if needed.SO many purely positive trainers advocate "vibration" collars but my dogs who work on a 25-30 will give HUGE stress signals /jump/yelp if the pager feature on my collar is used.
The MAIN thing to remember in dog training is that it is the DOG and not the PERSON who determines what is a reward and what is aversive!!
kelly
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13-03-2011, 11:23 AM
Originally Posted by kycanine
I've been using collars for 10 yrs. I use it as a tap on the shoulder and to mean "pay attention".
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13-03-2011, 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by kycanine
The e-collar that I have goes from 1-100.blah blah blah 
....stress signals /jump/yelp if the pager feature on my collar is used.
Hey wow - a pager feature. You get fries with that?
The MAIN thing to remember in dog training is that it is the DOG and not the PERSON who determines what is a reward and what is aversive!!
This is a lie. Simply a lie. Cos der dog don`t push der button...
kelly
Or could it be that a brand new member`s ONE AND ONLY post is on the only e-collar threat still active because they are genuine dog-lovers?
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