Malpeki i think some of what you are saying is preaching to the converted. Dogsey people feel free to correct me if i am speaking out of turn but NONE of the regular Dogsey people, including those that show, think any less of crossbreeds/mongrels per se or think that the looks of the animal should be above the temperament and health of their dogs. We are dog lovers here - we want happy healthy dogs. What people, including myself are struggling with, is the accusation that any show or anyone who shows is a heartless idiot who only cares about the looks of their dogs. It's simply not true.

I'm not sure but they told me
I only did see her parents and their "papers"
I just believed in what I could see and hear
yet, I didn't get disappointed and I did let her check at the vet as well

actually for me, there was never a reason for getting him X rayed, as he never showed any symptoms of having a problem with that and he got 13 years old before he fell asleep in the everlasting sleep on its own by age

Well Hip & elbow scoring is the only way to know if a dog has either condition as many dogs never show any outward signs, just because a dog has no symptoms doesn't mean you can claim they did not have HD.

I have all my dogs health tested regardless of whether they are going to be bred from, worked or shown

really you can't?

just look into the eyes of the first pic of that dog!
that should be okay?
that already hurts me by looking at them

and about the St Bernards, unfortunately I just can't find the pic of myself as a child with the St Bernard of my unkle, their yard dog
you would see the difference, I can promise you

but I guess, here I have to give up
as you just can't open the eyes of peoples who doesn't want to open them

Since you didn't answer Malka's question asking you to identify the breed of the first dog, I'll tell you... It's a Dogue De Bordeaux. Google image the breed... You might be surprised to find they all look like that.

good try but a cheap one
do you really believe, that you have to experience everything, before you can decide that you don't like that, or are being against of it?

sorry, missed Malkas post, there are so many attacking me

but okay, just had could be guessing as I do not know all breeds at all
but does the name of a breed change anything?

I guess she did not answer because she did not know!

[Obviously never seen any of the wonderful pictures of Snakeman's gorgeous Dave ]

well, I did, but I never realized, that his Dave had the same "vanisher" eyes