she was picked up from a pound at about a year and that probably is the reason she is like she is, she has been too hot to handle for someone and they dumped her, she was found tied to some railings outside Sainsbury's in Luton.

The really frustrating thing with Moll is i have the opportunity to work her, we beat regularly during the season, if she could just get it in her head that she needs to come back when asked then she could be out working every weekend between October and February, but when she does get to run,, nothing is as important as what her nose is telling her, its like she goes in to a trance.

Its not for lack of trying with her, she has been on long lines, been to Gun dog trainers, still goes to a gundog class once a week, been to general training classes etc etc where she is absolutely perfect, but you let her off in a woods and you can swing a dead rabbit round and she's not interested (yep tried that when Neam fetched us one)

The one i have had from a pup has perfect recall, Neam has perfect recall, Millie was another rescue with no recall, but we sussed it with her, so its not as if we don't know what we are doing, so through necessity Moll has to be fulfilled a lot of the time with lead walking, its either that or she becomes a danger to herself and others. (once popped out of the woods on to the road and nearly caused a serious accident) so you just make walks as interesting as possible

ok this is my second posting , I don't want to tread on anyones toes , this is me commenting on me and my dog , she's a husky up until about 6 months ago she was kept on a lead when walking, then my son found a secure large area ( grass and woodland) so she can run free . When she comes back from there she is pooped , but she is also pooped when she gets back from a walk.
Is she happier now, I don't know , she still look the same to me, but I am happier that she is having a good run, it's a bit different to the normal routine .
Do i think dogs need a good run , no , I think they just need a good owner who knows their own dog

Excellent post. I couldn't agree more. You have a lucky dog

on another note we have had dogs returned to rescue because the owners couldn't live with the fact that the dog was an out and out hunter and didn't have the skills or knowledge to give them fulfilled lives in a lead, and on the other side of the coin i had a 5 month old pup handed in the other week who had never been off her lead, because the old owners were scared she wouldn't come back, thankfully when i let her off she just followed the others

I will agree in rare cases you would get away without shelter - but it would be rare cases - not many places have mild, dry weather 24/7 365 days a year.

I think off lead is more important than on with my dogs, this is another situation where it is down to the individual dogs. I can walk mine on lead twice and makes no odds to the what so ever, i prefer to set time aside even though it means them going out less often, but so they can have a decent run and burn off some energy.
ATD x

That's something I'm trying to undo - I worked so hard to socialise my puppy, especially with dogs, so he was used to doggy fun times every time we went out. His recall is great, but he's only interested in running around with dogs and as a result he started pulling like mad when we go for a walk. Add to that a fear of strangers and barking at strangers, so it's back on the lead for him.
I love watching him running around off lead, but until we get to the point that walkies mean focus on me, he's mostly on lead. And it's sooo hard to unlearn something!!

my dog has so much energy that if i dont let him off lead so that he can get a decent run for at least 2 out of the 4 walks we go on then he will take out his energetic frustration out on the house!! Joys of having a beagle... although i am actually startin to think I may have a beagle foxhound cross..... that boy can run and run and run and run!!!

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It doesn't quote the part I wanted as you did it within my post. Boo. Not got time to go back and sort it,basically though I said it would be best in the scenario you described with your dogs that you walk them individually and work on training, your response was you don't have time......

Now who's being patronising? No I don't have time to walk three dogs twice a day individually, on top of my 50 hour a week job, my two kids and our many evening activities. Our walks are to give the dogs exercise and freedom. Training happens at other times for us. So, no I don't have time to walk them individually on a daily basis. Rio has no issues, Rogue has no issues, Dan is nervous and we're working on that, but it makes no difference whether he is walked with the others or not. You are implying that I don't spend time training my dogs. That's laughable, I put more time, money and effort into my dogs than the vast majority of dog owners. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about people who do exercise their dogs offlead.

Sorry it isnt a breed thing, I even rang a breeder of 34yrs this afternoon, she said the same, she has had the odd pup that has done it, but its stopped quickly enough. The same with any breed or type of dog, its an allowed behaviour.

You are even "guessing" about the shock collar, you have absolutely no proof of that at all Ailsa, none at all, so on that point Ill not give reason for my questions and leave you to it.

For the record, (another posters point) Id personally never sell a puppy to somebody who intended to keep it confined on a lead.