you could give me the nicest dog on this forum, within a short time I could turn it into a compleat nutter that flew at everyone and everything,

You could give me a badly behaved dog from the forum, I could improve that dog,
my point being, you get from a dog what you put into it.

But does not the dog have to come to the attention of the court in the firs tplace , to be placed on a register


So anyone wishing to breed and own pitbulls can aproach the court with their intention of breeding and owning pits, and they can become legal

I'm sorry Liverbird but how could they know this when breeding these dogs is illegal and must necessarily be a secretive activity? And even if this was the case what dog-lover would choose to own a breed that is condemned to death by the laws of this country from the moment of it's birth? Irrespective of whether it's the sweetest, most lovely family pet on the planet it will be destroyed if brought to the attention of the authorities??? How can you not see that this is a problem?

So Liverbird is obviously misinformed regarding this, in what else has she and her family been misinformed?

Have to say I agree with Jackbox.

Exactly, these dogs can't be registered and as long as people are prepared to part with their money unscrupulous people will be prepared to breed them and lets face it the majority of their customers will be looking for a 'hard' looking aggressive dog, not a well balanced family pet. So there will be more tragedies just waiting to happen.

J.

I don't know Lorna,maybe I am missing something too,think Liverbird needs to clear this up for us.

It's very risky posting pics of a dog which one admits to being part pitbull as police do look at forums like this (I have a friend in CID).

You may like to consider removing the photos?

Me too, along with johnderondon posts , I am at a loss.

Not breeding because one of the conditions is neutering but essentially, yes, since the '97 amendment a person could approach the police (not the court directly) and ask for their dog to be assessed and, if of type, to be entered onto the Index.

Even perfectly legal breeds can produce dogs which are of 'type'. It's not illegal to breed a staff and a mastiff or a sharpei and a retriever yet the offspring upon maturity may become illegal. It's one of the failings of our current legislation.

Yes, they can. The majority of owners whose dogs are seized as 'type' are successful in their application to have the dogs entered onto the Index.

Pretty much the only cases where they are not entered onto the Index is if they fail temperament tests, or are involved in a crime or where there are several puppies (because, once registered, the dogs cannot change owner).

Edit to add: Of course stray dogs have no owner to fight for them so they are doomed regardless of temperament.

Humans and dogs do not think the same, i do not think thst dogs premeditate murder, that is why a human murder is different as there is the intent, i think the dog is more guilty of manslaughter in this case hence a human death is required not a 'stabbing'.

yes, thank you- and you managed to express that without being rude, so it can be done.

No i would not, i do not consider myself a dog trainer, i am just a dog owner and lover, i do not have the skill or patience to rehabilitate a problem dog, there are professionals that do that sort of thing. i am not a dog professional, why would i want to take it on?
I do however know of a 'dog professional' lady that would consider taking it on, it is her job, she has the facilities and the skill and patience, she will only have a dog pts as a last resort.......... and is obviously an idiot.

I for one and not defending this dog that took away this poor child life.
It should of been killed, and if that means shoot it because its the safest way then so be it.
If i was there and saw such an attack, I would not think twice about shooting it myself!
Children come before any dog in my opin.

But I also feel that this dog was not just your average family pet, it had been aggressive to neighbours, had been reported for snarling at people in the street.
The address had been reported for breeding aggressive, illegal pitbulls terriers.
Does your average owner...own, breed, and sale aggressive and illegal breeds?
Would you let someone look after your children somewhere these things are taken place?
Did the people who own aggressive pits and were breeding them, think about who they were selling these dogs to, and what could happen to them or there kids?

The child was an inoccent victim, but the people at the address were not (be it familly members or friends.)
This poor child payed the ultimate price, and should of never been in that situation.
The dog killed this child yes, but let me ask you all whos responsible?
Is the dog responsible? or is the person/s who was breeding, owning, aggressive illegal dogs responsible?

In my opin, its the person who owns, breeds the aggressive, illegal dogs that is responsible, and someone who does this god only knows how these dogs were treated and trainned.


Again my heart goes out to the poor boy who died.
R.I.P Little man

And sorry yes- for the record I think in this case rehabilitation is a bit far fetched.........my mistake, forgive me.