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10-04-2005, 03:43 PM
AmStaffs are not named on the DDA but any dog known as the pitbull "type" is mentioned and as they are infact a stalk of the APBT breed then yeah I would not like to take my chances lol.

Good for you Abbas he sounds like a great dog, there is so much sensationalism about the APBT brought up right it is no better or worse (actually it is much better) than any other breed. Regarding the vet, I honestly dont think you will find a problem, as far as I am aware the vet does not have to report a dog they think is a pitbull. Think of the thousands of APBTs in the UK that must go to the vets...I've seen a fair few at mine, the vet knows what they are the owner does but as long as it's not causing a problem generally I think you will be okay.

Good luck with him I look forward to more pics as he grows!
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10-04-2005, 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by eRaze
Without getting into the politics of abts and as much as I love all dogs - those particular dogs are ending up in the wrong homes - inexperienced ones. No offence to Abbas, but he's not experienced with the breed and already some of the negative outcomes of this have started to manifest - aggression (which is the one thing this breed really could do without).
that is true i have never owned a APBT before but i have owned a Bully kutta when i lived in pakistan and i know about dog2dog dog/human aggersion. eraze i agree many people would given the chance use this breed for other reason and it is important to stop this but theyre are also many people like myself that can given the chance show that all pitbulls are killing machines that many people think, i have owned a rottie,GSD and a staff in the UK and i can say this dog is the best out of the bunch when it comes to people!
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10-04-2005, 04:46 PM
Abbas mate if you havent any knowledge of pits before be careful with him hes anice dog by the way at least you have admitted what you have is a pit unlike some who hide it ,but remember you are now done as admitting you have pit and their are a lot of antis out there so as i said be careful,because a lot of articles being put on the internet are being used against the pits an example is a father and son have been charged with dogfighting in the states and an article on a website supporting and pits and the rehoming of pits was the reason that their dogs have been PTS there thought they were being smart putting the article on their site but it is now costing pits dearly read the article for yourself
Louisiana SPCA Response to Letters
re the Floyd Boudreaux Dogfighting Bust

The problem with Pits. Or is it people?

The recent arrest of legendary pit bull breeder and dogfighter Floyd Boudreaux and his son, Guy, has caused an international debate over the fate of the 59 dogs confiscated in the raid. Fifty-seven of the 59 dogs were humanely euthanized at the Louisiana SPCA shortly after their arrival.

The decision to euthanize the dogs was not made lightly. It brought no joy to those involved. The decision to euthanize was based on experience, knowledge of genetics, compassion for the dogs, and the safety of the communities these dogs would have eventually been apart of.

People can easily accept that a terrier is tenacious; a herding dog will nip at your heels; a scent hound will follow his nose. Yet many fail to see the potential danger of the people-loving pit bull that has been bred for fighting.

A pit bull rescue organization in San Francisco, BAD RAP (www.badrap.org) states, “Animal aggression in pit bulls is common and 100% manageable, and cannot be "trained out" with behavior modification. A trainer that tells you otherwise is an uninformed trainer. A pit bull that displays animal aggression is not "snapping" or acting "unpredictable," the dog is simply displaying the results of hundreds of years of selective breeding. Managing this trait is what separates the responsible owners from the irresponsible.”

The book, “The Complete Gamedog; A Guide to Breeding and Raising the American Pit Bull Terrier,” by Ed and Chris Faron, a convicted dogfighter, says, “A lot of serious dogmen feel that the dogs do not belong in the hands of “pet” people and are resentful of the people who keep the dogs as pets. Though we believe that a bulldog can be a very good companion dog under the right circumstances, the above opinion is not without some justification.”

“A game-bred pit bull is a fighting dog, bred down for many generations of fighting dogs; to even consider raising one of these dogs as a pet you must understand and accept it – even if you are totally opposed to dogfighting. No matter how you raise this dog he will still be a pit bull not a Golden Retriever! Time and time again we’ve seen people get a pit bull puppy with the attitude “if I raise him right, he won’t want to fight” and in nearly every case we’ve seen the situation eventually come down to a serious problem.”

Managing animal aggression in any dog can be challenging. Imagine the difficulty of managing this behavior in animals that have been specifically breed, generation after generation, to be “game,” which can be described as "an unwillingness to give up, even under the most difficult of circumstances and despite the threat of death."

Gareth of Staffordshire Moorlands, England, wrote via email, “in England the Staffordshire Bull Terrier [pit bull] is also known as the nanny dog because the working class families that owned them tended to have large families and the 'staffie' became the babysitter of the children, even animal behavior specialists have proved that in particular the staffie is among the best breed of dogs to have around children. One reason for this is that any dog that would have bitten families would have been destroyed straight away…”[sic]

The problem with pit bulls is not the dogs themselves. The problem is the people breeding these dogs for strength, animal aggression and their fighting ability.

It would be irresponsible as a humane organization to adopt out an animal that could very well be a danger to an unsuspecting community. Even in the hands of a responsible owner, if these dogs did react out of decades of selective breeding, the results would be devastating.

Yes, it is unfair. Floyd Boudreaux sealed their fate by his motivation in breeding them
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10-04-2005, 04:53 PM
Good post Minty.

And Abbas - a striking looking dog you have there.

Take care, and enjoy him. Karen
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10-04-2005, 05:17 PM
great post minty! the guy who i got my dog of has to stud's which have F.Boudreaux's bloodline in them he told me they were "AM Staffs" at the time i tought that a DDA only applies to the dogs mentioned in the act by name,i dont take much from the anti-pitbull people as i am 100% these people have never owned the breed and mostly likely never met a dog of the breed any1 that has will agree they are amazingly freindly towards people and i fully understand my dog no matter how nice he is to people he will not be the same around other animals and for this reason just to make sure the only reason i let him of the lead is when he is in my back yard. I think the DDA has made it alot wrose as now a normal pet loving person cant get these dogs and the people that will get them are the people who should not be allowed these animals! i would not in a million years fight my dog it makes me sick in the tummy 2think people can raise an animal just to cause it pain! there are many other "fight bred" dogs like the presa etc im sure no one would say they are "dangerous".. i have another pic btw lol

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10-04-2005, 05:31 PM
Abbas good for you you sound like you are being very responsable with your dog keep it up he looks a very nice dog a lot better than the majority of the rubbish you see being peddled about
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10-04-2005, 05:37 PM
Bordeaux never bred AmStaffs, I see adverts all the time for so called AmStaffs then you see the bloodline and it is Reids, Mayfield etc these guys were never into AmStaffs just some breeders for whatever reason reckon using that name makes what they do sound better I dont know, they did the same with the Irish term a while back and even now mostly I see adverts for "Old Tyme Staffords" from well known peddling kennels in reality you know what the dogs actually are it is a shame they use another breeds name as it does them more damage than the pits they try to sell. I dont even know if there are any genuine AmStaffs in the UK as far as I was told there were a couple around 1991 which were AKC reg but duly neutered, muzzled & chipped......

You sound like a good owner, any dog can be dangerous in the wrong hands a lot of the time you hear a lot of sensationalism when it comes to these dogs, he is a cracking wee pup and I am sure will grow into a lovely well balanced dog if you carry on as you are.

Lovely pic.
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10-04-2005, 05:40 PM
He's gorgeous and also love his markings
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10-04-2005, 05:41 PM
are the reids dogs APBT's? thank you for your comments i will try my best and take as much care as possiable
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10-04-2005, 05:47 PM
Well it depends what dogs you mean? If it is dogs in your dog's pedigree I would imagine so, he was the first person (I believe) to bring pits into the UK and there is a long line of his dogs around some becoming well known in their own right most famous dog from his kennels was the Skipper dog.
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