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22-01-2009, 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn 
Mini said:
Pit Bulls are a whole different ball game though Mini
The dog was used to being around other dogs wasnt it, it was manic in their presence, why was what CM did so wrong in your eyes? The dog was still happy, it was still friendly, it wasnt cowering up a corner, is it simply because "you" wouldnt do it that way?
I don't think the dog in the video had been socialised with other dogs, how do you know it was used to being around other dogs? How do you know the dog was very happy and still friendly have you followed this up with the owner? Your are right, I wouldn't do it that way but I am not alone. People I admire and respect wouldn't use such methods either and are saying the same things as many of us here...
Latest news on Milan 20/1/2009
http://www.komonews.com/home/video/37440019.html?video=pop&t=a
“Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will only be transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is the public does not recognise the error of his ways
“Practices such as physically confronting aggressive dogs and using choke collars for fearful dogs are outrageous by even the most diluted dog training standards.”
“He has nice dog skills, but from a scientific point of view, what he says is, well…different. Heaven forbid if anyone else tries his methods because a lot of what he does is not without danger.”
Dr. Dunbar is very concerned that any television viewer who applies Millan's technique of the alpha rollover may get bitten by their dog. Dr. Dunbar appears to be voicing the words of National Geographic who say: “Don't try this at home”. Messages like this are flashed across the screen throughout Millan's show. So concerned are the American Humane Association as to Millan's methods being applied by the viewing public that they requested that National Geographic stop the show citing Millan's tactics as “inhumane, outdated and improper”.
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22-01-2009, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the link, but its just "other people's" opinions, like yours and mine, I respect a lot of people but I dont agree with what they do nor would I follow them. You dont agree with his methods and say they are wrong in your opinion, but in thousands of peoples eyes, he isnt wrong and his methods work. People like Jan Fennell were idolised, then we had people like Victoria Stillwell etc.. Im sure thousands still work by their rules, and the same goes for CM.
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22-01-2009, 11:52 AM
http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...ideos/05198_00
and wondered what people thought of it. My first thought was that it was not a dominant dog. It submitted pretty quickly, with in the grand scheme of things, not all that much 'choking'. The dog was choking himself by pulling on the lead, CM was not lifting the dog off the ground that much. It looked to me like a dog who was defending himself against being choked. Who knows what went on when the camera was off, but it looked like this dog has had this done to him before, knew who it was, and was trying to fight against it happening again.
Could it have been transferred agression - ie thinking of being agressive to the other dog, gets kicked in the butt and transfers it to CM.
It's difficult from a clip like this, but what to you think is going on?
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22-01-2009, 12:09 PM
Originally Posted by Shona
all I get on the link is a photo of CM how do I get it to work.
). Look again, do you see this message (just under the yellow video button on the page)"It appears that you do not have the most up-to-date version of Adobe Flash. Please download it here and come back to NGC to view this feature."
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22-01-2009, 12:12 PM
Originally Posted by Hali
You might be the same as me - not up to date enough (well your software, not you
). Look again, do you see this message (just under the yellow video button on the page)"It appears that you do not have the most up-to-date version of Adobe Flash. Please download it here and come back to NGC to view this feature."
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22-01-2009, 12:15 PM
You could try going through 'videos' then find one about 'Shadow a fully dominant dog that goes at Cesar like a wolf'.
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22-01-2009, 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by skilaki
Hmm, I don't know, I tried the link again and it does go to the vid - maybe Hali is right.
You could try going through 'videos' then find one about 'Shadow a fully dominant dog that goes at Cesar like a wolf'.
nope nada, cant figure it out.
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22-01-2009, 12:21 PM
That wasnt comfortable viewing, if it carried on for much longer one of them was gona get hurt!
Its hard to have that much of an opin with out seeing the whole programme.
I dont agree with stringing any dog up like that though
I think it was making him go worse.Surley theres better ways than that!
But then again I dont know why the dog as one the programme, he may of acted like that to people or other dogs before???
So what would you do if he had gone like that before??
Like to hear what everyone else think about it or if I can download the whole programme??
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22-01-2009, 12:23 PM
If so, I think you have to watch the full episode before passing judgement. The dog would attack either of his owners on not being able to get at another dog (and for other situations where the dog couldn't do what it wanted). Now the attacks were not full on 'I'm going to killl you' but imo he was trying to dominate his owners because he was manipulating them throuh fear to try and get what he wanted.
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