In an ideal world no dog would be rehomed---it isn't an ideal world but please don't justify breeders rehoming old or surplus stock by comparing it to dogs in rescue generally.
Two wrongs do not make a right.

rune

Re dogs from rescue being problems.

People manage with the help of behaviourists/trainers/back up from the kennels and sometimes they just put up with it. Often they return the dog to the kennels.

Yes there are dogs who are obliging and don't have any built in problems but there are many who do.

I have never said rescue dogs are easy and I do get annoyed when people say they are.

Many dogs are traumatised and the general rule is that you have what is called a 'honeymoon' period where the dog is finding its feet and trying to adapt to a totally new set of rules in new surroundings. The more the dog has been passed around the more difficult it will find it to settle and trust the newest of its owners

In an ideal world no dog would be rehomed---it isn't an ideal world but please don't justify breeders rehoming old or surplus stock by comparing it to dogs in rescue generally.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

rune

Have to admit, I found that a bit baffling , as you say, the message is constantly put out there that "not all dogs in rescue come with issues" yet from Runes,post giving statistics on her experience 2/1 ,she is saying the opposite.which blows out of the water the message that rescue dogs are not all disturbed.

for one Runes experience maybe different to others perhaps? What are your experiences of rescues = have they been easy or hard?

Yet the example you give is for some preferable over re homing that dog to a home that would give it a good life.. but the owner would be considered better because she kept the dog , rather then accept her capabilities and put the dogs welfare first.

That's what I have always failed to understand, when some say, its cruel or immoral to re home a dog that no longer fits your life.



If the dog could speak as some said.. would they say, no leave me in the kennel I have become used to , or please find me a home ..any home..

We have had examples on here, from time to time to time of members who for one reason or another have to re home a dog or two.. yet does anyone say, you should not do that, you should keep the dogs, its not fair on the dogs, they wont adjust in a new home.. ofcause they dont, they say.. you are acting in the best interests of the dog.

So why is it different to the dog that is being re homed from a show home, to a pet home.. the breeder will be doing exactly the same thing as the pet owner how is putting the dog first.

There is a huge difference between dumping dogs in rescue, and a breeder re homing, the dogs dont get a sniff of rescue centres.. they go to homes who have been on breeders lists for older dogs, (believe it or not ) there are plenty of peopel out their who want a "breed" but dont want to trawl the rescue centres, they will seek out a breeder, and ask to be considered for a older dog, .... why is that so wrong.. everyone including the dog is happy.

Yet some woudl be happy to see said dogs left at home all day or in a kennel while the owners are away on the show scene..

In their eyes, these are better breeders because they dont move the dog on, then those who feel the dog has done his job I will retire him to a pet home.

Personally I have no problem with it.. that does not mean I would do it, but I dont judge those who do.

the PF, BYB , and pet owner who dumps their stock in rescue is another matter.

We sometimes get a holier than thou attitude from some, who sit on a moral high ground with an attitude of if you dont do it my way, you are not a good dog lover.

I have said it to many times now, but dogs dont mean the same thing to all people, for some they are pets for others they are their to do a job of some sort. one is no better than the other.. if the dog is well cared for in its home, thats all that matters.. they adjust to new lives.. and forget the old pretty quickly,

To say rehoming an old dog is cruel is beyond me, its cruel if said dog is mistreated, starved or beaten, its cruel if its locked in a shed chained to a post for the rest of its live... I dotn see it as cruel to let someone have it to sit in front of their fire and be the recipient of all the love its going to get .

I could never do it, but thats by the by.

I think thats proberly the difference between show owners and pet owners - I would do everything I could to change my lifestyle to keep my dogs, whether it be stop showing, stop breeding or (as in my case consider my OH moving in until we could fit both our lifestyles and our pets into a perfect home).

Your point of an "ideal" rescue being?

Who thought any different?

Who said rescue dogs are easy?

That applies to every single dog thats rehomed! All animals will be different when they are settled, its after the initial first weeks or so that a dogs true nature will be seen, often the reason they were rehomed becomes clear then. With regards to a show dog being rehomed, there is every chance it will be used to people, other dogs, used to being handled and trained at least to a reasonable standard. Whilst the fact it was rehomed may not be "desirable" it will probably be a better dog to take on due to its "normal" and balanced upbringing.


Again you are spouting rubbish again.

I get another sm for your reply (G)!

am a little confused.
Do you think that if some breeders stopped breeding or showing they could keep the dogs there passing on?
If so you have it so wrong, There given up because there no longer able to share there hobby with there owner, meaning (for the more serious showing kennels) that they will be left at home alone for a number of hours every week end while owner is out showing.
Or that there going abroad to carry on showing over there, or that the breeder just wants to let them go to a home where they will get one on one attenion for the rest of its life! I can't say them reasons are all correct because we have never passed on a breeding/showing dog...

People might say if a dog is better going to a new home after its working/breeding/showing life then its always deserved a better home thats not true at all..Things change, you want your dog to be apart of your life..but an ex showing dog can not be apart of your life when its no longer showing is it..Its left at home not having a clue why its no longer allowed to get in the car every week end and meet up with all his doggy mates in the showing hall..

Personally have no problem with showing, my boys are from a proper show kennel, (Codee working). I think if the dog likes it and it must otherwise you wouldn't get the best out of it, then its a great way of socialisation for dog and owner!!
Whilst I could not rehome my dogs, I can see why a show kennel would, if they run on more than the one pup or want their older stock to have fireside homes in their later years, to have owners who are more 'there for them'.