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26-02-2007, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by Ramble 
I'm sorry I don't think I am missing the point.
At no point has anyone said that other dogs can't inflict damage, everyone is agreed on that.
At no point has anyone said that ANYdog in the wrong hands can be a dangerous dog. We are (I think) all agreed that training, socialisation and responsible ownership are the most important things.(On Dogsey I take that as read).
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the owner in question was responsible and experienced.
The point, being made by the op in a language that isn't his first, therefore we should forgive him if he hasn't perhaps phrased things well, was that the instinct and physical make up of some breeds of dog are such that they can inflict more damage than others in a short space of time and that they, due to the nature of their initial (however long ago) purpose and breeding, can be more inclined to fight with other dogs. It was a warning to owners of such breeds, always to be aware of that, a fair enough point to make...just like it's fair enough that I don't let my BC off lead around livestock (and din't let him offlead around groups of children when he was smaller as he seemed to think they were sheep too...
) Part of responsible ownership is being aware at all times about the instincts we have in our particular chosen breed of dog....none of this is a criticism of any breed, far from it. It is one posssible side of a couple of breeds of dog and it is fair that owners of the dogs should at least be aware of it isn't it????? I really don't see how I've missed the point..sorry.
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26-02-2007, 12:01 PM
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26-02-2007, 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by IanTaylor
The point is... that as we seem to all agree, any dog can cause harm. To highlight a specific type is not helping anyone, specially not at this point in time. I think most people who come on this forum are not stupid and do not need such a warning. And for any anti dog types reading this kind of heading... it just adds fuel to their campaign.
and because I did I was asked if I was anti bull breed by someone who said in the thread above...I have given a lot of my time recently behind the scenes to try to help prevent bad things happening to bull breeds, I am wondering why I bothered .
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26-02-2007, 12:29 PM
Originally Posted by IanTaylor
The point is... that as we seem to all agree, any dog can cause harm. To highlight a specific type is not helping anyone, specially not at this point in time. I think most people who come on this forum are not stupid and do not need such a warning. And for any anti dog types reading this kind of heading... it just adds fuel to their campaign.
The warning that the op has raised is rather patronising in its tone.
One comment that did rather ammuse me (by the way I am not suggesting I agree or disagree with the argument Hayley has).
Hayley said at one point if a staffy in the ring bit a human they would be pts and not bred from. Really made me chuckle that did. Apologies Hayley, I know exactly the point you were making it was just the order that you put it in rather implied (or it did the way I read it) that there was the potential for breeding from a dead dog.
The whole break stick issue is something I am not in any way shape or form aware of, as such "I couldn't possibily comment".
With regards to making people aware of Staffies potentially being dog aggressive, the truth of the matter is, if you get a staffy you must half expect it to be dog aggressive and as such be responsible when considering the breed i.e. could you handle / control one in such a situation. I do not think that this is discrimination against our own breed, just merely pointing out the fact that the majority of staffies have a disliking of other dogs, a fact that is published in a lot of literature that I have read online or in books giving descriptions of all breeds.
As it happens, Biff is not particularly bothered by other dogs, so it is ofcourse not 100% the case for all staffies. In fact my mum and dad's staffy used to roll over at the first sight of another dog.
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26-02-2007, 01:39 PM
i agree
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26-02-2007, 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by IanTaylor
The point is... that as we seem to all agree, any dog can cause harm. To highlight a specific type is not helping anyone, specially not at this point in time. I think most people who come on this forum are not stupid and do not need such a warning. And for any anti dog types reading this kind of heading... it just adds fuel to their campaign.
Adding fuel to the fire does no breed any justice at all really.
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26-02-2007, 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by IanTaylor
The point is... that as we seem to all agree, any dog can cause harm. To highlight a specific type is not helping anyone, specially not at this point in time. I think most people who come on this forum are not stupid and do not need such a warning. And for any anti dog types reading this kind of heading... it just adds fuel to their campaign.
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26-02-2007, 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha
Exactly what I have been saying Ian
and because I did I was asked if I was anti bull breed by someone who said in the thread above...if some bull breed owners wish to make the situation worse what is the point of trying to help.
I have given a lot of my time recently behind the scenes to try to help prevent bad things happening to bull breeds, I am wondering why I bothered .
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26-02-2007, 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by Biff
Took the words right out of my mouth.
The warning that the op has raised is rather patronising in its tone.
One comment that did rather ammuse me (by the way I am not suggesting I agree or disagree with the argument Hayley has).
Hayley said at one point if a staffy in the ring bit a human they would be pts and not bred from. Really made me chuckle that did. Apologies Hayley, I know exactly the point you were making it was just the order that you put it in rather implied (or it did the way I read it) that there was the potential for breeding from a dead dog.
The whole break stick issue is something I am not in any way shape or form aware of, as such "I couldn't possibily comment".
With regards to making people aware of Staffies potentially being dog aggressive, the truth of the matter is, if you get a staffy you must half expect it to be dog aggressive and as such be responsible when considering the breed i.e. could you handle / control one in such a situation. I do not think that this is discrimination against our own breed, just merely pointing out the fact that the majority of staffies have a disliking of other dogs, a fact that is published in a lot of literature that I have read online or in books giving descriptions of all breeds.
As it happens, Biff is not particularly bothered by other dogs, so it is ofcourse not 100% the case for all staffies. In fact my mum and dad's staffy used to roll over at the first sight of another dog.
