Sorry wys, should have elaborated but was keeping it short, a lot of the dogs in cms pack, are collected from the dog pounds, they pass on to him dogs that are deemed not homeable, nobody wants them, he takes them on and at a later date he places them with people he thinks would be suitable for their "energy"

The reason I asked is because you directed quite an arrogant post to me, and in spite of that I quite pleasantly asked you to define more about your views and exactly what you refer to as what, simply so that I could debate better with you.

It's not "tired old ground" - it's lack of direct, succinct, communication on different posts which doesn't help.

You tend to write long descriptive posts where what you mean can get lost. You also use terms which could be viewed in several different ways. So how can I know what you are referring to when for instance you use the word "confrontation" yet you do not seem to be using such methods? and when you refer to dog trainers using punishment, which by your posts in the past you've seemed to mean something fairly strong/harsh, and yet your other posts don't seem to support that?

Dog training words can get confusing, and you can surely appreciate this? Is it not better to clarify politely, especially when you yourself have been debating so very much about training methods, positive trainers, CM, confrontation, etc.
You've not been backward in coming forward, you know!

If you don't clarify then I will have to guess which could lead to all sorts of misunderstandings.

Yes - that's fine until you seem to argue that every owner who has used positive trainers/methods feels the same way!

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No probs, I was talking about the dogs he visits who have owners mostly, the ones I have seen on the tv are those

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I think that is good CC I do, but the problem is it doesn't put aside what else he does. I can't forget that he chokes dogs and so on, and recommends what are dangerous methods (his more extreme ones).

I appreciate what you mean but (guess what? ) we will have to agree to disagree again

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We're making a habit of this agreeing to disagree business

I just brought that episode up because, tbh, I don't recall seeing CM work with treats/food in his training very often. I just thought how adaptable he can be and thought it worth posting about, just for those opposed to CM to see that he does adapt his methods to "fit" the dog he's working with.

And I pointed out that the answers to your questions (questions that have already been asked of me in earlier iterations of this circular debate) have already been given in other posts.

Read my answers. If you've got anything new to add to the debate then come back to me.

You think wys should search through your posts in order to answer you? I'm sure she has MUCH better things to do then that!

So do you practice negative punishment or positive punishment? Direct question just to clear up confusion as I'm as confused as Wys is over your posts.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm, not sure that CM advocates punishment as such, now I'm confused

How can you practice something and not advocate using it?

He punishes a dog every time he Alpha rolls one, every time he strings one up, every time he dishes out negative physical force.