As i've said, if the people with show dogs feel strongly for the charities Companion shows raise funds for, they could give a donation, imo.

They don't have to enter the show to benefit the charity, imo.

I can't speak for everyone but I hope I speak for most that show.
I got into showing as a hobby. To spend the day with others that love dogs and love my breed. From this I've made many friends.
This applies to shows at all levels. There are those that for whatever reason don't take up showing or are happy to just show at Companion. That is their choice just as it is my choice to show more than others. It is my hobby to train my dogs to show, do agility etc. where as others will spend their time on other hobbies.
Why should I be stopped taking my dogs out for a nice day out wherever or whatever it should be.
WESTIE. You say that show people spit their dummies out when not getting placed. Twisting it on it's head are you not being a bad sport. If you truly go out for a fun day, why does it annoy you so much in seeing "show" dogs as you call them getting the places. Tit for tat me thinks.
And just for the record I was beaten a few weeks ago by a PET dog that had never been to a show before. Did I stomp out of the ring? Nope. I congratulated them and we had a long chat afterwards as they wanted to take up more showing.
All most of us want is to go out and spend our day with other dog lovvers. To say we should all be banned from Companion shows so that other dogs have a better chance is crazy and in itself bad sportsmanship. You have the choice as I do to do some training with your dog. Ringcraft at the end of the day is only basic obedience and common sense

NOW who's spitting his/her dummy out?
Why shouldn't show people go to companion shows?
A dog is a dog, is a dog! Many people show their dogs at these charity events, not because they want to 'show off' but because they just want to join in. and why shouldn't they? Not all show dogs' even get placed at these shows, not all people take it seriously at these events. There are people who just don't like losing no matter what level they show, some are disappointed and some show it more than others. But that goes for 'non show' people as well as 'show' people.

I too believe you are the one thats being a 'bad sport'

I didn't say they couldn't go and have a day out with their dogs, they could go and watch, socialise their dogs, and give a donation if they feel that strongly on supporting charities.

I don't always enter the pedigree classes. I also feel the same way about the pedigree classes I don't/can't enter, so I am not spitting my so-called dummy out.

I'm not saying this because I never win anything in the pedigree classes - I have done. I believe it is not right, wether or not I win anything or whether or not I enter the pedigree classes at Companion shows I attend, and have stated my reasons as to why.

WESTIE
You train your dogs to obedience and Agility and compete. Is is then fair for you to enter agility and obedience classes at a Companion Dog show against those that just have a pet??????
As i've said before there are just as many good pet dogs that never see the ring of an Open or Champ show.
The only difference is presentation of the dog on the day. It's up to the individual what level of interest they take in doing this.
From being involved in many shows including organising them. You find that a lot of people only show at Companion dog shows as they either can't afford the costs of higher level shows or have lost interest in them. Take a pet dog, train it to show well in the ring and take it to a Companion Dog Show. How can you possibly tell if that dog is shown in any other competition other than Companion Shows. You can't. So actually your argument would then be any dog that has been trained to a certain level shouldn't be entered, even if they don't compete actively with that dog.
So you wouldn't have a problem then if pet dogs on a regular basis got placed above show dogs. To me that puts you alongside all the other people on both sides who moan when there dog doesn't get placed or are not happy with the judges decision.
I recognise that you have an opinion but from the years that I have attended Companion Dog shows in whatever capacity, I have never, not once heard people moan about show dogs being there, in fact most have found it a beneficial source to tap information regarding their dogs even if it's what shampoo they use on their dog or dietry information.

No, you didn't say they 'couldn't go' but you basically said they 'shouldn't' go, iyo. So its ok for them to mingle in the background then?
Never have I heard such sour grapes
If you attended a champ show and your dog was beaten by an already champion, would you say that that champion shouldn't attend because it already is one??

If it really bothers you, don't enter the pedigree classes

[QUOTE=megan57collies;1048243]WESTIE
You train your dogs to obedience and Agility and compete. Is is then fair for you to enter agility and obedience classes at a Companion Dog show against those that just have a pet??????QUOTE]


I have not yet started official KC competitions in agility. The agility compeition on Saturday was for club members only. As it happens, we are off to get both of my dogs measured next weekend, to start official competing. When I eventually do start competiting, I will no longer enter club agility competitions, or any that aren't official, as I don't think it would be fair on the other dogs.

I also don't compete officially in obedience, and don't plan to either. I only enter the obedience competitions at Companion/fun dog shows. If I did compete officially in obedience, I would not compete at obedience at Companion dog shows.

Again, if I showed my dog at official KC shows, I would not enter the pedigree classes at Companion dog shows, as I don't think it would be fair on the other dogs, if my dog was a champion or not.

I don't do sour grapes.

However, the one and only time I was annoyed was when I was at a Companion dog show and I had entered both the show classes and the obedience classes. I had no idea they were doing the sit/stays for my obedience class. They did not announce it, so I missed out. As far as I was aware, we had a pretty good chance of winning something - that wasn't what my problem was. My problem was the fact that they didn't announce it and a good lot of people missed out on it.

Oh you do, in a very big way.

Your nose is well out of joint, there is nothing you can do about KC rules, you are just going to have to get over it. Otherwise you're going to be a very unhappy bunny and it's going to affect your enjoyment of Companion shows.

Please try to live and let live, for your own sake.

Dawn R.

...and for the sake of this shows committee who will have put in the work to make it a success and won't want people put off attending, and for the sake of the charity they are hoping to raise funds for, and for the sake of all the other dog owners that enjoy their day at the show.