So tell me Phil, what possible "gain" could a Poodle get from being mismarked?

I agree with this completely

I think it's more a case of asking what is it possibly lacking ?

I think your'e avoiding the point Phil. I ask you again, as in your post you said why should we stop "changes" I am asking you, what possible benefit could a Poodle get from being purposely bred for an unnaccepted colour? Who gains in it?

I can tell you what its lacking, its lacking the correct colour laid down in the breed standard.

I agree with you Dawn

I'm not narrowing this down to the colour of a poodle.

You keep asking me what the benefit is in not conforming to a standard. I'm not saying that there is a benefit - that's my point. I'm just saying that providing you're not risking health - then what's wrong with thinking 'outside of the standard'

All you can say is that what's wrong with it is that it isn't the correct colour laid down in the breed standard.

but surely when breeding we should be breeding the best,with as few faults as possible and as close to the standard as possible.
we should be aiming to produce the "perfect" example of the breed,otherwise what's the point.

But Phil that it the WHOLE point of breeding pedigree dogs, to conform to the standard laid down, dont you think if more "pet" people did this we would see Yorkshire Terriers that were the correct size and not HUGE, and Cavaliers that were not as big as Springers and for that matter Springers that look like Springers! If people want to go outside the standard, IMO they are doing the breed an injustice, if they are not happy with the breed they have, instead of changing it to make it more pleasing to them, maybe they should get a breed that does suit them in the first place!
Dawn.

But we're not talking about pedigree dogs. I totally agree that if you want a pedigree dog to breed again within the breed that it should meet the standard.

What I'm trying to get you to understand is that if somebody want's to take it off at an angle (for whatever reason) that I totally agree with the freedom to do this. It creates new ideas and new uses and it's up to the folk that lay down the law of the breed standard to have their eyes open to see possible future benefits of these off shoots and let breed standards evolve.

That's what has always happened.

Your post said...
Maybe I misunderstood, but to me that directly says you were talking of pedigree dogs.