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Originally Posted by
Ben Mcfuzzylugs
Agree with Wilbar and WYS
The more the younger dog gets to practise his bullying and getting rewarded for it (rewarded by the other dog doing what he wants) then the more he will do it
I used to believe in the whole inter pack dom thing, I heard so many people talking about how they let the dogs just sort things out for themselves and support the 'alpha' one
But then when it was happening to Ben by a dog that was supposed to be a foster then I seen it for what it really was
an insecure bully trying to get their own way
For a short while I watched them like a hawk and distracted them before anything started. I worked hard on training them together so the bossy one got to learn that Ben getting treats was a sign that nice things were just about to happen to her (I can now scatter treats on the floor and they happily share)
and if she ever got too bolshy or was trying to control Ben too much then she had some time out on the naughty step
Deff get help, but while you are waiting try and manage the situation so hhe cant get to practise being a bully, feed seperate and be proactive in stopping things happening
Seems we all agree on this one
. Although I usually do agree with Ben & Wys's posts anyway.
I also wanted to emphasise the "no practice" part for unwanted behaviours in dogs. Not only is this important from the learning theory side of things (i.e. behaviours that are rewarded are more likely to recur), but also from the physiological side of things.
The more the physiological responses linked to certain behaviours are activated, the more the neural pathways associated with those behaviours are sensitised. When the neural pathways are sensitised by use (i.e. the "firing of one cell in a neural pathway, causes the next cell to fire etc), the more likely they are to be activated in similar situations. Then these slightly different pathways are sensitised & more easily triggered, then the unwanted behaviours start to generalise to other situations & get even more ingrained. It can be a downward spiral which makes the original problem even more difficult to solve.
Neural cells fire more strongly with strong emotional reactions, e.g. fear responses are usually associated with a strong neural cell response. We've all seen cases where an exposure to fireworks causes a huge fear response & before you know it, the fear of fireworks has generalised to guns, cars backfiring, other loud noises, going out after dark etc etc.
This process is called "long term potentiation" or LTP, & as the neural cells trigger firing in slightly different but linked pathways, the process is called "associative long term potontiation" or ALTP. This is the result of learning at the cellular level (Hebb's Rule) and goes a long way to explaining how most animals learn on the subconscious level.
The upshot is that the more dogs are exposed to things that frighten them, leading to neural fear responses, the more sensitised their neural pathways become & the more likely they are to trigger in future in similar situations. So this is why the best way to deal with unwanted behaviours, particularly fearful behaviours, is to avoid them! Then you can begin to start a programme of desensitisation & counter-conditioning whereby you are changing the sensitivity of neural pathways in certain situations from fearful to calm.
I don't know if I've explained this very well (or if I'm "preaching to the converted"!) but if anyone's interested in the physiology side of things I can recommend the "Physiology of Behaviour" by Neil Carlson. Plus if you google Long Term Potentiation there is lots of info about the cellular basis of learning. I find it interesting but I totally understand if I'm the only one who does!