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15-10-2009, 11:09 PM
Originally Posted by Promethean 
I'm on the side of the trainer. Not that the owner actually take the advice and euthanize the dog. However this was an honest trainer for openly admitting that they did not deal with aggressive cases"
Many trainers would have just taken the client on bad faith.
The trainer was honest in both her assessment of her skill and her opinion of aggressive dogs. Good for her.
she didnt even know if the dog is aggressive!! she did not meet the dog!!
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16-10-2009, 02:50 AM
Originally Posted by Boxer Boy
She was also an uncaring fool, most dogs with problems which result in aggression can be rehabillitated successfully, and bring great joy to those who have helped them become friendly dogs.
Fools are those who overestimate their ability. Dogs can be rehabilitated by those who have the skill to do it, she recognizes she lacks the skill. This is shows far more self awareness than most people have.
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
I'd rather work with someone who is a aware of limitations than someone who because of ignorance over estimates their ability.
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16-10-2009, 03:26 AM
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16-10-2009, 06:53 AM
Originally Posted by Dale's mum
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I met someone yesterday who'd been charged £80 by a trainer who left her dog terrified. It was a young Cairn terrier who's scared of going in the car. The man claimed it was 'being dominant' and needed firm handling. By the time he left both dog and owner were traumatised. The poor dog hid a corner and wouldn't even come out to eat.
The poor dog and owners.
Do they know there are some good trainers out there who would not treat them or their dog like that? If you speak to them again, suggest they try www.apdt.co.uk or www.apbc.org.uk for some assistance (although of course, it will now be much harder for the Cairn to accept the car
).I agree it's best to know limitations - that's much fairer to the client. However I'd disagree strongly with giving advice such as "pts" over the phone
especially as owner interpretations can be different to what an experienced trainer or behaviourist might see. I've known people label adolescents as aggressive when in fact they are simply over boisterous and mouthy....Wys
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16-10-2009, 06:59 AM
Originally Posted by Shona
it makes me very sad to hear these things, more so as the trainer gave up on the dog before he started,
its becoming all to regular now though, aggression is a problem many trainers will not touch, or dont know how to cope with,
in the latter case its better he walks away from the dog than does anything to make the problem worse, but to say have the dog PTS with little or no real knowlage of why the dog is like that is bad.
I don't understand why anyone would rather just pts than to keep trying!
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16-10-2009, 07:04 AM
http://www.cawc.org.uk/080603.pdf
a nice 52 page document
Wys
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16-10-2009, 07:33 AM
Originally Posted by Labman
Yes, good point. I trust those more that admit their limitations. While I am well versed in early dog care and training, I mostly stay out of fixing dogs that didn't get the right start. It is an entirely different skill set. I do know enough to distrust somebody claiming broad success.
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16-10-2009, 07:44 AM
Unfortunately with this pup it doesn't seem fair to make it share the same house when it might well be very worried.
Dog/dog aggression and dog/human aggression are two different issues, and both have various levels/trigger points and degrees.
Unless (like I had the other day) the dog has really attacked a human for no reason and very badly, I don't think you can advise on the phone. In the case I mentioned all I did was allow the owner to talk it out and reassure them that thet were doing the right thing---if they hadn't done it the police/courts would have done.
rune
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