thanx DD the more reassurance i am getting the better i feel about it, i knew this could happen and know exactly what to do in theory so we should be ok

It's good that they are healthy. Like DD said, don't worry about the puppy being breech. I was helping with a Rottie bitch, and 7 of her 10 puppies were breech, she had no trouble. The bitch's name was Lizzy, so the 12 hours before the birth I was squished into the whelping box, comforting her.

Good luck with them.

Also quite a few were born with no sack and no placenta. If you want my mobile PM and I'll keep it on for you to ring if you get stuck.

thanx DD i have pm'd you