Exactly! No GOOD trainer needs to use such devices. I never allowed them in my classes for the ten years I ran them and we had a great reputation <beams proudly> and a good success rate. Any owner who insisted on using a choke chain had to find another class - simple.

i have been told that they can be very good for hounds that have a high wander instinct

How did you find this thread?? its soo old
There have been more recent discussions about these things.
There are better ways to train any dog