most old dogs who are not raw fed dont have them due to them rotting! or thier breath STINKS!

No, I do not have a reference for this other than the amount of dogs I have come into contact with......

My first wsd was brought up on rice pudding----my gordon setter was fed weetabix as a pup as was my parents GSD----thats what people did before puppy kibble. I fed my jrt pup on weetabix----I did tend to use goats milk rather than cows but most people who fed in a similar way didn't.

Scrambled egg was suggested and used and gradually we introduced other things.

The dogs seemed to survive fine---I don't think there was a lot of difference TBH, certainly mine seemed to live as long and as healthily as the dogs I now have who were brought up differently.

rune

Doesnt mean its the best thing for them though does it. I bet it was a common practice years ago, before puppy kibble like you say.. But now there is better stuff of more value to a growing pup why would a responsible breeder choose to use anything other

I know HUNDREDS of raw fed dogs and none of them have had broken teeth, worn molars, fragments lodged in the mouth, or intestinal obstructions.

My oldest dog, 11 next year, has been fed raw since she was 1 (that was when I moved her over to raw) and she has such fantastic gnashers (despite gnawing all sorts of terrible bones) that the vets use her as an example to their nurses!

Of course NOTHING in life is risk free, but having been on several raw feeding sites for 10 years and knowing several vets very well, I have not heard of any of these things happening myself, although I am sure they do.

But that is only OUR experience and as I do not breed myself and would certainly hope NEVER have to hand rear puppies (that is what dams are for) I can't compare with YOUR personal experience with feeding dogs human cereal, I just prefer to feed dogs a species appropriate diet, one they were designed to eat, rather than convenience food made for humans!

I realise for many convenience foods must be a way of life, I prefer to avoid them for my dogs health and vitality.

So someone can be sarcastic about my comments, but if I respond I am on my high horse!

If the dam doesnt have any milk, or is poorly, if you didnt hand rear the puppies they wouldnt survive!!!!!!!!!

There are more cases of problems with bones than kibble.

Weetabix is good enough for us, and fine for puppies up to 12 weeks of age as one of their four meals a day.

End of.

Research? I am someone who feeds kibble and occasionally raw, I would be interested to know where you get your stats from.
Thanks.

I feed kibble (tried Cherry on raw and she didn't like it) and Cherry is 10 now and has a perfect set of teeth gleaming white gnashers with absolutely no tartar. Why? Because I clean them every night!

When my sister got her Bichon Frise I said to her that she should clean her teeth regularly as small dogs can suffer more from dental problems. Unfortunately she didn't listen to my advice and now the vet has told her off about the state of Lily's teeth and she is much younger than Cherry.

It seems that many owners are choosing to try raw diets for puppies/older dogs and I am sure that is a better option than some of the cheapy kibble on sale but it doesn't suit every dog or owner.

No. my post was in direct response to another about the KC

Perhaps you havnt met that many older dogs then. Never had a dog with stinky breath, or rotting teeth, all have lived well into the old age, way past the average for the breed, with all their teeth intact. They dont have wind problems either, something often associated with raw food.

Ok - thats where the confusion came in then.

The poster said - To which you replied This to me indicates that you feel the only way to be sure of the ancestry is the KC.

Obviously that is not what you meant, so I apologise.