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14-02-2011, 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy 
OK you`re a troll. Unless you prove to me that you can wrestle a horse to the ground.
You`ve been watching old westerns, love. 
Ignore button.
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14-02-2011, 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by dogdragoness
Its like laying a horse down for the first time, there is a good amount of 'fight' in it as well & even if an expert natural horsemen is doing it it can seem cruel to the untrained eye because the horse fights so hard to relinquish control just like a dog does, the only difference is that a horse is A LOT bigger lol but the fundementials are the same.
The only thing that I disagree with what CM did is something that I do when I lay an animal down is that I make the laying down pleasent & when they WANT to get up I let them up, because I can always lay them down again & the next time is always easier because of that.
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14-02-2011, 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
Why on earth would you want to make a horse lie down?
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14-02-2011, 06:51 PM
Then some of the riding ponies were lazy , we had to sit on them to get them back up!
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14-02-2011, 07:19 PM
I COULD force my dogs to the floor - I choose not to
My horsey friends COULD wrestle their horses to the floor - they choose not to
My dog COULD rip my arm open to the bone - he chooses not to
The horses COULD kick a big hole in someones head - they choose not to
Same we think we are the higher species but we dont see how kind animals are to us
about time we showed some kindness back
Horses are v amenable to clicker training and it is v easy to get them to target a knee touch to a marker, lower that marker to the floor then shape them lying down - for example
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14-02-2011, 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by dogdragoness
Once the animal does it once (& I'm talking about animals that came to us with all kinds of problems, one horse was perticularly bad due to not having a good start & we knew he wasn't going to be an easy lay down no matter how much we worked with him & we had had him three months already.
Our OWN animals we can lay down NP I can lay my own dogs down anywhere on any surface, in fact if I touch Izze on a special plaxe on her body she will practically flop onto her side & go limp lol. I kind of make it a 'trick' when I teach it to my own.
Who knew, eh?
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14-02-2011, 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
As a trick. However the dragon person is talking about laying the horse down which is done with ropes round the legs to force the terrified animal down. It`s the equine equivalent of `pinning` and is extremely cruel and traumatic for the horse. Proper trainers don`t do it.
good grief i thought the dog world was having a bad time with all the dominance BS!
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14-02-2011, 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Drago
No... but i'd really like to see him try an Alpha roll on a 180lb Timberwolf though....
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15-02-2011, 10:12 AM
Originally Posted by Dawes Paws
but what can "pinning a horse down tell the horse, other than, you are about to die!! horses dont submit like dogs do?! please tell me you dont physically force your horses to lie down in order to become dominant to them?!!
good grief i thought the dog world was having a bad time with all the dominance BS!
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