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28-11-2012, 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox 
I eat meat, does that mean I am not a genuine animal lover,
Because I know when farm animals outlive their usefulness, they go for slaughter, should I not eat meat due to the farmer disregarding the sheep /cow that has served him well , then sends to market when its no longer earns its keep
I accept that animals mean different things to different people, some of us keep them as pets, and find the way others see their as abhorrent, how can some one disregard their beloved dog, because I could never do that !
Whether you like it or not, hounds are not pets, they are not seem as pets, they are part of a lifestyle , and do a job, when they can no longer do the job, they are recycled into the way of life.
Do I like the thought of them being disposed of , no ofcouse I don`t, so don`t go throwing the emotive "you can be a dog lover " around, because its just words, as far as I am concerned, and rather pathetic
I am not arrogant enough to think that everyone should see their animals as I do, for many its a living , a way of life, they do a job, they are treated well, and live full lives whilst they can.
Do I think better they should not be born...absolutely not
You only have to watch them working to see the fulfilled life they have, a better life than many many pet dogs to be honest.
& tbh I dont see how anyone who supports fox hunting can call themselves an animal lover or a dog lover.
What about all those 12 to 18 month old hounds that didnt make the grade then? or the newborn puppies who had their heads smashed on the floor? did they have a fulfilled life?
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28-11-2012, 10:25 PM
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You dont have to kill anything to work gundogs.
Yes i do, but my hobby doesnt entail harming anything, & my one dog who hates running in harness is safe & loved.
Ive had 2 gundogs in my life, a springer, and a GSP. The springer was a working gundog but he was gunshy, if my Dad hadnt stepped in and offered him a home he like the hounds, would have been shot! he was 12 months old when we got him he lived to be 15, thank god my Dad gave him a chance of life.
Our GSP was never worked, she grew up with our children and lived a long and happy life almost making it to her 16th birthday.
really sorry about your dog.
Of course im going to say Rehome lol
Yes i do happen to have had to housetrain a dog thats spent years in kennels, getting him use to things in the house! One of my dogs was imported from a kennel in France, he was 3 and a half when we got him, never lived in a house before...hes proof of the adaptabilty of dogs . How can people just write off thousands healthy young hounds? its beyond me
.. ... http://foxhoundwelfareuk.jimdo.com/this is him in france
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30-11-2012, 12:40 AM
Having grown up on a small holding I remember losing no more than the occasional chicken to foxes, but as they were fully free range (no fences or enclosures, even their roost, an old stone barn was fully open on one side) this was bound to happen and was not grudged. Our dogs (GSDs and Irish Setters) generally cried havoc if they heard any disturbance from the yard at night, were quickly let out to chase off the fox, and so this was good enough for us.
Neither we, nor other members of our extended family who were also landowners ever allowed the Hunt to cross our properties, and for that we were subjected to some of the most foul verbal abuse and physical intimidation. Every year without fail y parents had to call the police to move them on from blocking our gates and entrance-ways with the cars of their hangers-on, and every other year without fail some poor local's pet cat, or small furry was unfortunate enough to get caught up in the pack and suffer the consequences.
The biggest problem with foxes today is in urban areas, not the countryside. The reason being we as humans are filthy creatures who produce vast amounts of waste, subsequently attracting opportunistic creatures such as foxes, rats, pigeons and gulls (the last 2 in turn also attracting raptors to city areas) in greater and greater numbers as our own numbers continue to increase also. If we really want to control their rising population we need to clean up our own act. Stop wasting food, stop creating bigger and bigger landfills, and start taking responsibility for the impact we have on our environment and the multitude of ecosystems we are constantly upsetting or destroying.
As for the person who said filming the event was sick and cold meanwhile supporting the hunt...WTF? To me that's no better than be "pro-war" and believing that reportage journalism shining light on the human atrocities and war crimes is wrong. Maybe a harsh comparison, but I stand by it.
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30-11-2012, 12:42 AM
Originally Posted by Pep_Sounds
I don't eat meat these days, but have no problem with people/dogs hunting for food. Fox hunting however is barbaric and unnecessary and to me the breeding of foxhounds for this kind of "sport hunting" then killing them when past their usefulness in the hunt is no better than the b******s who breed dogs for fighting.
Having grown up on a small holding I remember losing no more than the occasional chicken to foxes, but as they were fully free range (no fences or enclosures, even their roost, an old stone barn was fully open on one side) this was bound to happen and was not grudged. Our dogs (GSDs and Irish Setters) generally cried havoc if they heard any disturbance from the yard at night, were quickly let out to chase off the fox, and so this was good enough for us.
Neither we, nor other members of our extended family who were also landowners ever allowed the Hunt to cross our properties, and for that we were subjected to some of the most foul verbal abuse and physical intimidation. Every year without fail y parents had to call the police to move them on from blocking our gates and entrance-ways with the cars of their hangers-on, and every other year without fail some poor local's pet cat, or small furry was unfortunate enough to get caught up in the pack and suffer the consequences.
The biggest problem with foxes today is in urban areas, not the countryside. The reason being we as humans are filthy creatures who produce vast amounts of waste, subsequently attracting opportunistic creatures such as foxes, rats, pigeons and gulls (the last 2 in turn also attracting raptors to city areas) in greater and greater numbers as our own numbers continue to increase also. If we really want to control their rising population we need to clean up our own act. Stop wasting food, stop creating bigger and bigger landfills, and start taking responsibility for the impact we have on our environment and the multitude of ecosystems we are constantly upsetting or destroying.
As for the person who said filming the event was sick and cold meanwhile supporting the hunt...WTF? To me that's no better than be "pro-war" and believing that reportage journalism shining light on the human atrocities and war crimes is wrong. Maybe a harsh comparison, but I stand by it.
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30-11-2012, 02:29 AM
We may not agree with each other but at least we have been courteous and civil, and that's how discussions should be. Anyway... back on topic.
Originally Posted by Pep_Sounds
I don't eat meat these days, but have no problem with people/dogs hunting for food. Fox hunting however is barbaric and unnecessary and to me the breeding of foxhounds for this kind of "sport hunting" then killing them when past their usefulness in the hunt is no better than the b******s who breed dogs for fighting.
Having grown up on a small holding I remember losing no more than the occasional chicken to foxes, but as they were fully free range (no fences or enclosures, even their roost, an old stone barn was fully open on one side) this was bound to happen and was not grudged. Our dogs (GSDs and Irish Setters) generally cried havoc if they heard any disturbance from the yard at night, were quickly let out to chase off the fox, and so this was good enough for us.
Neither we, nor other members of our extended family who were also landowners ever allowed the Hunt to cross our properties, and for that we were subjected to some of the most foul verbal abuse and physical intimidation. Every year without fail y parents had to call the police to move them on from blocking our gates and entrance-ways with the cars of their hangers-on, and every other year without fail some poor local's pet cat, or small furry was unfortunate enough to get caught up in the pack and suffer the consequences.
The biggest problem with foxes today is in urban areas, not the countryside. The reason being we as humans are filthy creatures who produce vast amounts of waste, subsequently attracting opportunistic creatures such as foxes, rats, pigeons and gulls (the last 2 in turn also attracting raptors to city areas) in greater and greater numbers as our own numbers continue to increase also. If we really want to control their rising population we need to clean up our own act. Stop wasting food, stop creating bigger and bigger landfills, and start taking responsibility for the impact we have on our environment and the multitude of ecosystems we are constantly upsetting or destroying.
As for the person who said filming the event was sick and cold meanwhile supporting the hunt...WTF? To me that's no better than be "pro-war" and believing that reportage journalism shining light on the human atrocities and war crimes is wrong. Maybe a harsh comparison, but I stand by it.
Must have been so frightening having to deal with people getting abusive, but good on you for standing by your principles and not allowing your land to be used for activities that go against your ethics.
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30-11-2012, 07:55 AM
Originally Posted by Pep_Sounds
I don't eat meat these days, but have no problem with people/dogs hunting for food. Fox hunting however is barbaric and unnecessary and to me the breeding of foxhounds for this kind of "sport hunting" then killing them when past their usefulness in the hunt is no better than the b******s who breed dogs for fighting.
Having grown up on a small holding I remember losing no more than the occasional chicken to foxes, but as they were fully free range (no fences or enclosures, even their roost, an old stone barn was fully open on one side) this was bound to happen and was not grudged. Our dogs (GSDs and Irish Setters) generally cried havoc if they heard any disturbance from the yard at night, were quickly let out to chase off the fox, and so this was good enough for us.
Neither we, nor other members of our extended family who were also landowners ever allowed the Hunt to cross our properties, and for that we were subjected to some of the most foul verbal abuse and physical intimidation. Every year without fail y parents had to call the police to move them on from blocking our gates and entrance-ways with the cars of their hangers-on, and every other year without fail some poor local's pet cat, or small furry was unfortunate enough to get caught up in the pack and suffer the consequences.
The biggest problem with foxes today is in urban areas, not the countryside. The reason being we as humans are filthy creatures who produce vast amounts of waste, subsequently attracting opportunistic creatures such as foxes, rats, pigeons and gulls (the last 2 in turn also attracting raptors to city areas) in greater and greater numbers as our own numbers continue to increase also. If we really want to control their rising population we need to clean up our own act. Stop wasting food, stop creating bigger and bigger landfills, and start taking responsibility for the impact we have on our environment and the multitude of ecosystems we are constantly upsetting or destroying.
As for the person who said filming the event was sick and cold meanwhile supporting the hunt...WTF? To me that's no better than be "pro-war" and believing that reportage journalism shining light on the human atrocities and war crimes is wrong. Maybe a harsh comparison, but I stand by it.
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30-11-2012, 08:59 AM
Originally Posted by Pep_Sounds
I don't eat meat these days, but have no problem with people/dogs hunting for food. Fox hunting however is barbaric and unnecessary and to me the breeding of foxhounds for this kind of "sport hunting" then killing them when past their usefulness in the hunt is no better than the b******s who breed dogs for fighting.
Having grown up on a small holding I remember losing no more than the occasional chicken to foxes, but as they were fully free range (no fences or enclosures, even their roost, an old stone barn was fully open on one side) this was bound to happen and was not grudged. Our dogs (GSDs and Irish Setters) generally cried havoc if they heard any disturbance from the yard at night, were quickly let out to chase off the fox, and so this was good enough for us.
Neither we, nor other members of our extended family who were also landowners ever allowed the Hunt to cross our properties, and for that we were subjected to some of the most foul verbal abuse and physical intimidation. Every year without fail y parents had to call the police to move them on from blocking our gates and entrance-ways with the cars of their hangers-on, and every other year without fail some poor local's pet cat, or small furry was unfortunate enough to get caught up in the pack and suffer the consequences.
The biggest problem with foxes today is in urban areas, not the countryside. The reason being we as humans are filthy creatures who produce vast amounts of waste, subsequently attracting opportunistic creatures such as foxes, rats, pigeons and gulls (the last 2 in turn also attracting raptors to city areas) in greater and greater numbers as our own numbers continue to increase also. If we really want to control their rising population we need to clean up our own act. Stop wasting food, stop creating bigger and bigger landfills, and start taking responsibility for the impact we have on our environment and the multitude of ecosystems we are constantly upsetting or destroying.
As for the person who said filming the event was sick and cold meanwhile supporting the hunt...WTF? To me that's no better than be "pro-war" and believing that reportage journalism shining light on the human atrocities and war crimes is wrong. Maybe a harsh comparison, but I stand by it.
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30-11-2012, 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by Noushka05
Sorry I missed this post Lizzy x
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The more people that know about the abysmal treatment of the hounds the better imo.
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You dont have to kill anything to work gundogs.
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Yes i do, but my hobby doesnt entail harming anything, & my one dog who hates running in harness is safe & loved.
Ive had 2 gundogs in my life, a springer, and a GSP. The springer was a working gundog but he was gunshy, if my Dad hadnt stepped in and offered him a home he like the hounds, would have been shot! he was 12 months old when we got him he lived to be 15, thank god my Dad gave him a chance of life.
Our GSP was never worked, she grew up with our children and lived a long and happy life almost making it to her 16th birthday.
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really sorry about your dog.
Yes i do happen to have had to housetrain a dog thats spent years in kennels, getting him use to things in the house! One of my dogs was imported from a kennel in France, he was 3 and a half when we got him, never lived in a house before...hes proof of the adaptabilty of dogs . How can people just write off thousands healthy young hounds? its beyond me
.. ... http://foxhoundwelfareuk.jimdo.com/this is him in france
shortly after we'd got him..
All settled in
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[/QUOTE]We had a 9 week old F1 wolfcross living in our house for a few weeks. He had only ever lived outside with his wolf mum in a den in their enclosure. Within 3 days he was housetrained. He slept with Tai in our bedroom, no problem.
If you can housetrain a wolf, then you can certainly housetrain a foxhound I would think!
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30-11-2012, 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Pep_Sounds
I don't eat meat these days, but have no problem with people/dogs hunting for food. Fox hunting however is barbaric and unnecessary and to me the breeding of foxhounds for this kind of "sport hunting" then killing them when past their usefulness in the hunt is no better than the b******s who breed dogs for fighting.
Having grown up on a small holding I remember losing no more than the occasional chicken to foxes, but as they were fully free range (no fences or enclosures, even their roost, an old stone barn was fully open on one side) this was bound to happen and was not grudged. Our dogs (GSDs and Irish Setters) generally cried havoc if they heard any disturbance from the yard at night, were quickly let out to chase off the fox, and so this was good enough for us.
Neither we, nor other members of our extended family who were also landowners ever allowed the Hunt to cross our properties, and for that we were subjected to some of the most foul verbal abuse and physical intimidation. Every year without fail y parents had to call the police to move them on from blocking our gates and entrance-ways with the cars of their hangers-on, and every other year without fail some poor local's pet cat, or small furry was unfortunate enough to get caught up in the pack and suffer the consequences.
The biggest problem with foxes today is in urban areas, not the countryside. The reason being we as humans are filthy creatures who produce vast amounts of waste, subsequently attracting opportunistic creatures such as foxes, rats, pigeons and gulls (the last 2 in turn also attracting raptors to city areas) in greater and greater numbers as our own numbers continue to increase also. If we really want to control their rising population we need to clean up our own act. Stop wasting food, stop creating bigger and bigger landfills, and start taking responsibility for the impact we have on our environment and the multitude of ecosystems we are constantly upsetting or destroying.
As for the person who said filming the event was sick and cold meanwhile supporting the hunt...WTF? To me that's no better than be "pro-war" and believing that reportage journalism shining light on the human atrocities and war crimes is wrong. Maybe a harsh comparison, but I stand by it.
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30-11-2012, 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Lizzy23
yep they do me included, so i am coming from a little experience, but its not everyone has that sort of patience, not everyone likes Sxxt all over there house or a dog that needs valium to go in a car, or one that wets itself when it sees an ironing board, i could go on but won't
because lets face it we're are talking about older dogs that have spent their lives in the country living in a pack of probably 30 or 40, a lot of the outside world is going to be terrifying
See my post about the young wolf who lived with us for a few weeks, between the age of 9 weeks and 16 weeks.
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