|
Location: UK
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 9,065
|
14-02-2011, 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by Moon's Mum 
NO.
I'm pretty surprised at some of the people who have said yes....I really hope some of them have changed their mins in the last three years
|
|
Location: God's Own County
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,584
|
14-02-2011, 12:43 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
OK you`re a troll. Unless you prove to me that you can wrestle a horse to the ground.
You`ve been watching old westerns, love. 
Ignore button.
|
|
|
|
Location: cornwall uk
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,132
|
14-02-2011, 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
OK you`re a troll. Unless you prove to me that you can wrestle a horse to the ground.
You`ve been watching old westerns, love. Ignore button.
rune
|
|
|
Location: in a pile of nappies
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,945
|
14-02-2011, 12:53 PM
|
|
|
Location: Amongst my dogs, cats and chickens
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,366
|
14-02-2011, 01:03 PM
Originally Posted by dogdragoness
Its like laying a horse down for the first time, there is a good amount of 'fight' in it as well & even if an expert natural horsemen is doing it it can seem cruel to the untrained eye because the horse fights so hard to relinquish control just like a dog does, the only difference is that a horse is A LOT bigger lol but the fundementials are the same.
The only thing that I disagree with what CM did is something that I do when I lay an animal down is that I make the laying down pleasent & when they WANT to get up I let them up, because I can always lay them down again & the next time is always easier because of that.
It is called trust....... If you have to fight, be it a horse or dog.... then you aint got it right!!!!!!! YES I could lay my horse down just in case you think I dont now what I'm talking about and she didn't fight as it was done right!!!!
I can get all my dogs to lay on their sides, or backs with out a single fight!!! It's called TRUST!!!!
NO!!!!!! wouldn't let that "man" any where near any of my animals.
|
|
|
Location: bellville tx
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 285
|
14-02-2011, 02:34 PM
Our OWN animals we can lay down NP I can lay my own dogs down anywhere on any surface, in fact if I touch Izze on a special plaxe on her body she will practically flop onto her side & go limp lol. I kind of make it a 'trick' when I teach it to my own.
|
|
|
|
Location: UK
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 9,065
|
14-02-2011, 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by dogdragoness
Once the animal does it once (& I'm talking about animals that came to us with all kinds of problems, one horse was perticularly bad due to not having a good start & we knew he wasn't going to be an easy lay down no matter how much we worked with him & we had had him three months already.
Our OWN animals we can lay down NP I can lay my own dogs down anywhere on any surface, in fact if I touch Izze on a special plaxe on her body she will practically flop onto her side & go limp lol. I kind of make it a 'trick' when I teach it to my own.
I am struggling to see the benefit of this exercise?
For example - my dogs are taught an automatic default down, (ie, if I am ignoring you, you lie down at my feet and I will give you attention - but there are no commands involved in this and no physical contact.)
|
|
|
|
Location: bellville tx
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 285
|
14-02-2011, 03:16 PM
Laying a horse down is kind of a trick excersise
With a dog it can serve a purpose like if they have a wound on their undercarriage that needs to be treated, its easier to clip their nails etc... it is also a trust excersise.
Ok I think I have hyjacked this thread enough lol no more talk about that. In relation to CM I would love to see his place & such, many ppl may hate him but his place is a dream (the new place he built recently)
|
|
|
|
Location: UK
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 9,065
|
14-02-2011, 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by dogdragoness
I'm a ranch hand, fiancee is a horse trainer, though he worked with a a person experienced at laying horses down for the first excersise.
Laying a horse down is kind of a trick excersise
Right - so no real need to 'force' it then?
With a dog it can serve a purpose like if they have a wound on their undercarriage that needs to be treated, its easier to clip their nails etc... it is also a trust excersise.
All of mine with Lie down on command and go over on their side, on command.....no forcing needed. I can do pretty much anything to my dogs....(not yet found something they will not allow) and we have been through some pretty rough times with some of them. Trust is earned...not forced.
Ok I think I have hyjacked this thread enough lol no more talk about that. In relation to CM I would love to see his place & such, many ppl may hate him but his place is a dream (the new place he built recently)
|
|