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31-03-2008, 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Bilclarie 
Well this debate will go on and on for years to come there will always be those for and those against thats life, and we meaning me and the anti dockers or anti croppers will never see eye to eye on the subject, ears are not chopped or hacked off the are cut off and then stiched in some cases, most tails are bannded until the end of it is dead and it falls off just like with a lambs tails, Dew claws are cut off with a pair of small sharp sissors no numbing of the area first just cut off English breed standard says no dew claws the rest of europe keeps them on, how many people own a dog with no dew claws that are anti docking / cropping, as for spaying neutering it's unneccesary surgery in a lot of cases,as I have said in my previous post you don't know that your dog will get etc etc etc you have it spayed in case it does or for other reasons which are like the reasons for cropping no reason at all really, it's just done, I will always own a cropped docked Dobermann when I have no choice I will have a natural eared and tailed dog but all the time I have a choice I will own what I like, as for spaying and castrating there lie's your choice, as for the poll at the top of the page it means nothing at all to me because it won't change mine or many thousands / millions of peoples minds it's just a forum poll.
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As for cropping, you like it and find it acceptable, most here don't as it's illegal here in the UK, where this forum is based.
I have no problem with you keeping your dogs cropped if its still legal in your Country, however, I do object to you attacking other members because they choose to spey etc so as not to hinder the canine population further and create more problems for rescues. It is a responsible thing to do, if you are not knowledgable enough to bring pups into the world.
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31-03-2008, 08:40 PM
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31-03-2008, 08:42 PM
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31-03-2008, 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by Mahooli
Just because it is legal in some countries doesn't make it right. In some countries it is legal to have sex with a child of 13, that isn't right. Bull fighting is barbaric as is horse fighting, dog fighting and cock fighting but in some countries this is legal but not right.
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Don't misunderstand me, my own personal feeling on cropping are the same as most of the board...but that does not stop me admiring a good one.or respecting anyones opinions on pro crop . But it is not something I would ever be part of.
But I respect , "choice" and in the scheme of world cruelty... it is low down on the scale.
Cropped dogs do not suffer endless days, a life time of torture, till their life is cruelly ended... they are not minors, suffering from the hands of perverts.
You can see pics of cropped pups, playing and enjoying life just like any other canine.
I respect all opinions... on cropping, and am very much in the pro-docking camp...
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31-03-2008, 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
I agree, but cropping does not come into the same category as child porn... bull/horse/cock fighting.
Don't misunderstand me, my own personal feeling on cropping are the same as most of the board...but that does not stop me admiring a good one.or respecting anyones opinions on pro crop . But it is not something I would ever be part of.
But I respect , "choice" and in the scheme of world cruelty... it is low down on the scale.
Cropped dogs do not suffer endless days, a life time of torture, till their life is cruelly ended... they are not minors, suffering from the hands of perverts.
You can see pics of cropped pups, playing and enjoying life just like any other canine.
I respect all opinions... on cropping, and am very much in the pro-docking camp...
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31-03-2008, 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by Malady
Err, not all breed standards say that dew claws have to be removed !!! Mine still have them, and so will any other dog I have.
As for cropping, you like it and find it acceptable, most here don't as it's illegal here in the UK, where this forum is based.
I have no problem with you keeping your dogs cropped if its still legal in your Country, however, I do object to you attacking other members because they choose to spey etc so as not to hinder the canine population further and create more problems for rescues. It is a responsible thing to do, if you are not knowledgable enough to bring pups into the world.
As someone else said it's just going round in circles we will have to agree to disagree you all have your thoughts on the matter and I have mine I'm not trying to change your minds and you would never change mine.
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31-03-2008, 08:57 PM
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and I would really honestly like to know -
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31-03-2008, 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by melzy
has anyone ever seen a puppy sorry HEARD a puppy after it comes round after having its ears cropped ?!
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31-03-2008, 09:05 PM
Originally Posted by melzy
has anyone ever seen a puppy sorry HEARD a puppy after it comes round after having its ears cropped ?!
but I was in the vets a few months back, waiting to see my vet... the most horrendous noise wa coming from a consultation room.... someone was in terrible pain..howling the place down,,,, crying for all its worth.
Everyone in the waiting room was concerned.. till a very red faced lady came out..holding her young puppy, he had just been for his first vaccinations...and boy did he not like it.
I dont doubt cropped puppies must suffer pain after cropping, but one would assume pain relief was given... but it wont be a lifetime of misery for said pup, they recover,
I am not agreeing with or saying it is right... but I dont think that those that do crop are monsters either.
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31-03-2008, 09:08 PM
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