Don`t leave just because of a different way of thinking on a topic - all views are valued for discussions and disagreeing on a topic does`nt mean you`ll be at war on another with anyone you might disagree with on something - believe me I`ve had battles on some subjects but have then gone to a different topic and absolutely agreed with the same people on something else, and have a good laugh and good natured ribbing around the forum

They simply like to preserve the breeds as they are, for the good of the breed for future generations.

Being a responsible breeder isn't about looking after them !, it's about preserving the breed by years of looking at their lines and looking into eradicating health issues, so to breed that breed to standard and continuing it for the future.

By all means, many people here will never agree on certain issues and fight tooth and nail on one suject then share out reppy points on another issue.

It's not personal, it's a chat forum, where discussions, debates and laughs take place.

I will never agree with Patch on the issue in this thread, but I still like to :smt019 her now again, just for good measure

And you know how much I like collecting the raspberries, I work hard for them after all :smt023

And now, I really must get to bed, night all :smt058 nite Malady :smt062 :smt016 :smt003

Okay I get the gist of it......but I'll wait to give my opinion until everyone knows me a bit better....I'm a bit of a people pleaser - I hate conflict...although my husband does say I'm argumentative!

Nice to know you all have a sense of humour - just what I need right now!

See you all tomorrow!

I understand what you're saying Anne, I think you've explained yourself very cleary and you're absolutely correct.

Again I agree

I ahven't checked out the links...no time, but out of interest are there any longterm studies on the social implications for animals neutered at 12 weeks?

"The research available on the physical, behavioral, short and long-term effects of prepubescent neutering in dogs and cats shows no adverse results. Based on this information, the American Humane Association supports this practice as a feasible solution to decreasing pet overpopulation and the tragedy of resulting deaths. Early sterilization practices are also endorsed by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Animal Hospital Association and the California Veterinary Medical Association."

Thanks thats great.
I wold like to see the evidence though rather than a blanket statement!

"This early age neutering sparked a storm of controversy, because in veterinary medicine the mantra is “We fear change.” Because of this controversy, many studies were undertaken to more fully evaluate the effects of early age sterilization in dogs and cats.

In the last 10-15 years, the following findings have emerged concerning prepubertal neutering.

1 Animals neutered prior to a full maturity live longer on the average- dogs live 1-3 years longer and cats live 3-5 years longer
2 There is a sharp decrease in certain cancers, particularly mammary cancer.
3 Prostatitis, perianal tumors, testicular cancer, perianal bernias, ovarian cyst, ovarian and uterine tumors and pyometras are examples of common medical problems impacted by neutering,
4 There are anesthetic agents and anesthetic protocols that are well documented for animals as young as 6-8 weeks.
5 Young animals recover much faster from surgery due to higher metabolic rates, less bleeding during surgery, and shorter overall surgical time.
6 There is even growing evidence that early age neutering has positive effects on socialization and behavior in many animals.
7 One clear physiological fact that has emerged is these animals tend to have slightly increased skeletal bone growth (taller) and stay leaner longer that their adult counterparts neutered at an older age."
http://www.plannedpethoodplus.com/ad...spay+my+pet%3F