Originally Posted by
Azz
There's a big difference between keeping a pet for companionship, with mutual respect, consideration and care than exploiting an animal for personal gain, especially when there is suffering involved.
I find it shocking that I'm having to point the difference out - on a dog lovers forum!
That's OK Azz, I dont mind you being shocked at all
You want to cherry pick "exploitation" I dont, we exploit ALL our domesticated and undomesticated animals for our own ends...its a simple as that.
Some we wrap up in ribbons some we dont, but the facts are we keep them for
our own needs..NOT there`s!
Originally Posted by
Pidge
What an odd mentality. That's like saying ''I don't need to stick to the law, because there will always be people breaking it''. There will always be cruelty to animals (human animals included), but why accept it? Why not make a stand against it and
show tat you don't agree with it?
I find your response as odd as you find mine.
I stated facts, I did not say I LIKED those facts,
Don't dictate to me what I should or should not do.
Originally Posted by
Pidge
A service dog is a hell of a lot better use of an animal's life than a horse bred for entertainment and money.
The two cannot be compared!
Cant they, a horse that is bred to compete (ALL disciplines) will have a good life , regardless of what you may think, at the end of its competitive life it will either be moved on to a companion home or retired to its field.
Exactly the same will happen to a service dog!!
So why it it different, they both do a job, they both may get moved on (more likely the dog) and both have been discarded.
I wont place bets on which will suffer the distress of being moved from a home more, can you ?
Originally Posted by
Azz
Service dogs do a
noble deed. They can make all the difference, sometimes between life and death, for some people.
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So its OK to discard these noble dogs after a life time of service in a one to one home... simply because they "make a difference"!
Originally Posted by
Pidge
Ahhh but you see the bullying thread was
not about that but the mods never gave me a chance to explain myself because everyone jumped to the wrong conclusion and got it locked.
Other than that, meh.
Trouble is Pidge those who read it, thought it was exactly that! you could not respond to the other thread when you were called out, so you reopened another to make your point.
Hence it was locked!
Originally Posted by
DevilDogz
Because there is something to be gained from it.
The only thing that gains nothing from taking part is the horses themselves..Says it all doesnt it. Makes me sick!
As with "showing"............what does the show dog gain from being shown??
Originally Posted by
Azz
You don't think blind people,
or other disabled people wouldn't kill themselves, or get killed if it wasn't for the help and companionship of their 'service' dogs?
I think service dogs save lives in more ways than the obvious
No, the blind and disabled have been around far longer than service dogs, and have managed well without killing themselves.
Service dog help enrich their lives, they dont keep them alive.
Originally Posted by
Pepp
I'm pretty new here and don't want to get involved in this debate at all so I am not expressing which way I voted, but I would just like to say that as a horse owner I would never ever say that my horse was not as much of a pet as my dogs were. I spend a hell of a lot of time with my horse and would say that I am even more bonded to her than my dogs, so to say that the horse is not a pet is not true.
I know people who show/race and breed their horses and each and every one of them have a bond with their horses in the same way as people have with dogs/cats/rabbits etc.
So to de-value their lives a little because they are not a 'house pet' is a little mean.
Anyways, I'm gona skiddadle now and go to my usual haunt-picture threads!
I dont think devaluing them was the intention, simply pointing out that they are not house pets ,
Originally Posted by
Petticoat
There is another point of view though, does the owner of said racehorse really care about the horse, the way the average owner cares about their dog/cat etc..? Most owners of racehorses send them to trainers (obviously
) and then its the grooms who develop the bond as they ride them out every day and take care of them... Maybe most racehorse owners care about their horses to a certain extent, but as there is no great bond as they don't see them everyday, its not the same risk for them. Unless of course they own and train it, then they value the horse alot more.... Just a thought..
What I really want to ask is all the pro racers, do you think the excessive whipping is really neccessary? Or whipping at all for that matter? After seeing what the winning horse was like when he finished and knowing the jockey got a ban for excessive whipping.
No, excessive use of the whip is not acceptable, not sure if anyone has said it is.
BTW, I know plenty of people who keep race/competition horses in livery, and they love them as much as the next person.
Such hypocrisy here , so much cherry picking going on its laughable,
Its OK to exploit A,B,C for this but its not OK to exploit for that!
Its OK to discard a service dog, but its not OK to discard race horse.
Its OK to risk out dogs on agility courses, in the park , doing a or b service work, but its not OK to risk a horse that may injure sometimes fatally competing.
Its OK to breed dogs for competition , But its not OK to breed horses for competition, what does either species get out of it.
We do it for
ourselves not for the animals!!