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03-02-2011, 02:50 PM
Originally Posted by wilbar 
Yep, simple ~ at least for any caring dog owner!
This causes an issue when they research alternatives and come up against incorrect information, baseless opinion, and arguments like this thread that drifts constantly into personal attacks and one upmanship.
Instead of having all the options presented with the pro's and con's to encourage selection and choice it ends up as "if you don't use x you're not a dog lover" or "if you do use x you're going to hell". How unhelpful is that?
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Austin
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03-02-2011, 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by LuvMyDog
Really? It goes off on some serious tangents attacking the OP and dozens of random discussions about who did what and who said what and who knows who, perhaps comparable arguments using "friendly" seeming equipment to counter the same arguments leveled against the offending collars is too off thread? How very careless, please accept my most humble apology.
My view on pain is that it's subjective, and unavoidable.
regards,
Austin
For the record I do not use anti pull harnesses, but I am more than happy and quite interested in a discussion on them if you wish to start a thread on it
Yes life has pain
But you dont need pain to train - that is very easy to avoid
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03-02-2011, 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by LuvMyDog
Does it matter?
? I'm interested.
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03-02-2011, 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by LuvMyDog
Again, baseless value judgements. We all know there are owners out there using incorrect equipment and causing their dogs stress, physical damage and not encouraging desired behaviors. At least they're trying, misguided maybe, but trying non the less and that indicates some degree of caring.
This causes an issue when they research alternatives and come up against incorrect information, baseless opinion, and arguments like this thread that drifts constantly into personal attacks and one upmanship.
Instead of having all the options presented with the pro's and con's to encourage selection and choice it ends up as "if you don't use x you're not a dog lover" or "if you do use x you're going to hell". How unhelpful is that?
regards,
Austin
Any chance of you actually talking about the topic?
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03-02-2011, 03:09 PM
Originally Posted by wilbar
Adam, we've been through this before & pointed out that this just shows your complete lack of understanding of OC principles & pos reinforcement training. You aren't doing yourself any favours by repeating such nonsense
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03-02-2011, 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
and how rude is that.
Any chance of you actually talking about the topic?
Using existing objections and arguments against the offending equipment to compare with non offensive equipment that has similar issues and apply the same objections and arguments.
So, yes, happy to discuss the topic and acknowledge how it's diversified and expanded. Isn't that how debate works?
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Austin
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03-02-2011, 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
For the record I do not use anti pull harnesses, but I am more than happy and quite interested in a discussion on them if you wish to start a thread on it
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Austin
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03-02-2011, 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by LuvMyDog
Really? It goes off on some serious tangents attacking the OP and dozens of random discussions about who did what and who said what and who knows who, perhaps comparable arguments using "friendly" seeming equipment to counter the same arguments leveled against the offending collars is too off thread? How very careless, please accept my most humble apology.
My view on pain is that it's subjective, and unavoidable.
regards,
Austin
One of the best indications that it might well be painful is the reluctance of the users to allow the collars to be used on them to teach them something.
rune