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View Poll Results: do you think 12 weeks is to young to neuter a puppy
yes 83 83.00%
no 12 12.00%
dont know 2 2.00%
sitting on the fence 3 3.00%
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01-11-2007, 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
Yes I agree it's a huge debate and I went through it all prior to having my little girl done.

Anne, that's great that you say it's proven to be safer and kinder but how do you know that...not questioning your intelligence....I would love to have some written clinical data to show to friends here in Oz who have the same dilema! Thanks.
Post 113, veterinary info and links there re safety factors and much better recovery from GA and the op itself

http://www.dogsey.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=113

FWIW, my own experience of having a 5 month old spayed compared to older ones I have had done, plus [ also fwiw ], I have many years experience of neutered mogs and dogs generally via Rescue involvement over the years, so far more neuter and recovery observations, [ too many to count ], to go by than just my own crew :

http://www.dogsey.com/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=10
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01-11-2007, 02:23 AM
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Hi Maddy

Yes but in QLD it's illegal to spay before 12 weeks! I had thought of travelling to NSW but hubby complained more about the damn dog!!!

The breeder I bought my dog off said she would much prefer it, as it helps to stop so many people breeding willy nilly!
I know breeders in QLD that have their pups done around 12 weeks.

I don't mean any offence but your 'breeder' bred a crossbreed, so why would they have any morals about breeding more ! From the ones I know of, it's more like she doesn't want her own business taken away.....no offence.
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01-11-2007, 02:23 AM
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I understand [ and absolutely agree with ] what you are trying to get across fwiw :smt001
:smt001
Please explain to them (once you've had some sleep) as I'm obviously not doing a very good job
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01-11-2007, 02:27 AM
Originally Posted by zoeybeau1 View Post

ISSUES REGARDING CASTRATION IN DOGS
Politically correct conventional wisdom is not necessarily biologically correct. Also, old wives tales regarding testicles and behavioral matters are often just that.
The only true justifications for castrating dogs are 1) aggressive behavior toward other dogs in the same household, and 2) perianal adenoma in old dogs.
Aggression to other dogs in situations outside the house is pretty normal dog behavior. Appropriate behavior. Since your dog will be on lead or inside a secure fence at all times, there should be no problem with dogs outside your household. However, if male house mates fight, and both need to stay with you, castration of one or both may solve the aggression problems. If you fault your dog for being aggressive to acquaintances while being walked on lead, you should not. He is guarding you. That simple. Honorable behavior. If you fault your dog for aggression in a 'dog park' where he is running free, or on the beach, or in the woods, well shame on you; you're the one at fault for risking his life in such an uncontrolled situation. Dogs that can manage such encounters without aggression are fine, but you cannot automatically expect a dog to have friendly relations with animals from outside his own 'pack'. It goes against his whole evolution.
Perianal adenomas, benign but messy tumors in old dogs may be treated by castration.
In terms of your dog's health, two overriding concerns are present. Castration at an early age will cause the dog to become overly tall, as the growth plates in the long bones will not close at the appropriate time; additionally, the dog will lack breadth of chest. The combination of these two factors sets the stage for your dog to have painful orthopedic problems. The OFA has published articles on this subject. An early age means below 1 year in small and medium sized dogs, and below 2 to 2.5 years in large and giant breeds.
The statement that your dog will not automatically gain weight is rubbish. Removing sexual hormones will change his metabolism and make your dog more sluggish, resulting almost inevitably in weight gain. Also, muscle tone will decline after castration, and the classic result of this is a fat dog in poor muscle tone that ends up having a cruciate ligament rupture in the knee. Can you avoid the consequences to weight and condition? Sure in the ideal world it's possible, but in the real world, the overwhelming proportion of owners do not succeed in this endeavor.
The second concern regarding your dog's health is highly malignant prostate cancer. Virtually all malignant prostatic tumors in dogs occur in castrated dogs. Castrating your dog puts him at risk for one of the worst cancers he can get. While you remove the very slight risk of testicular cancer in castrated dogs, that's a small matter; the incidence of testicular cancer is so minimal. Also, almost all testicular cancers in dogs are benign. If we find a testicular tumor, we normally remove the testicle with the mass and leave the remaining one intact. The relative incidence and severity of the tumors of the prostate relative to tumors of the testicle makes the decision to keep your dog intact a virtual no-brainer. The information on the incidence prostatic malignancies was obtained through a very large study of the records at veterinary colleges. These findings have been published for several years.*
Infection or inflammation of the prostate may occur in intact male dogs that are chronically exposed to bitches in heat. These are often worrisome to owners who seem to confuse prostatitis with the more serious prostate cancer. Prostatic infections are easily treated, and not, per se, a reason for castration.
So, the bottom line is:
1. Never castrate your dog because it is Politically Correct
2. Only castrate your dog if his home life is at risk due to dog-to-dog
aggression, or if, at the age of 11 years or so, he develops a perianal adenoma.

i googled early castration and this was what i found,im sorry but id rather he has all his bits xxzbxx
Couldn't agree more
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01-11-2007, 02:28 AM
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Please explain (once you've had some sleep) as I'm obviously not doing a very good job

You have explained it very well imo - but I`ll try and do some nudging off of `blinkers` tomorrow in case it helps

[ Sorry to Malady, could`nt resist that one, put it down to a touch of Halloween nortiness :smt077 :smt058 ]
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01-11-2007, 02:30 AM
That's okay no offence taken.....but crossbreeds are the norm here, especially ones crossed with poodles and a few of the Vets I know have said they have less problems with the good cross bred dogs than some of the purebreds....me I'm nuetral in this area....I just love dogs and if you can breed healthy ones...who cares what they are!

I checked with the local council and you definately can't do it ......but hey some places are a law unto themselves!
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01-11-2007, 02:31 AM
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You have explained it very well imo - but I`ll try and do some nudging off of `blinkers` tomorrow in case it helps

[ Sorry to Malady, could`nt resist that one, put it down to a touch of Halloween nortiness :smt077 :smt058 ]
*Gasp* How Very Dare You :smt019 :smt019
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01-11-2007, 02:34 AM
Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
That's okay no offence taken.....but crossbreeds are the norm here, especially ones crossed with poodles and a few of the Vets I know have said they have less problems with the good cross bred dogs than some of the purebreds....me I'm nuetral in this area....I just love dogs and if you can breed a healthy ones...who cares what they are!
Many responsible breeders on this forum care what they are

Crossbreeds are the norm everywhere with irresponsible breeders unfortunately.

As I said I know plenty of breeders in Oz as I used to live there, and whether they are the norm or not, they are still undesired, by responsible breeders.
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01-11-2007, 02:42 AM
I guess that's put me in my place and I guess that will be the end of me on this chat forum then....I wouldn't want to rub anyone up the wrong way....and I myself love crossbreeds and find it sad that responsible breeders find them undersirable...perhaps they want to save their business.....It was nice talking but think it best for me to retire from here!
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01-11-2007, 02:44 AM
One last thing......the breeder I bought my dog from is not irresponsible and takes very good care of what she breeds from and looks after them better than a lot of purebred breeders I visited.....but then I only visit a few here so wouldn't say anything against purebred breeders....being a previous owner of purebreds!
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