im not moaning, as most know anything to do with showing has hee haw to do with me since I own all crosses lol.

the logic just doesnt make sense to me with regards to showing.

How is it irrelevant? Its not only Crufts we are talking about here.

Thats fine.

Mmm why are we still seeing docked dogs then??

Please dont degrade the thread with comments that are targeted to cause offence.

Im not, Im still asking you what "test" Terriers will have to perform to satisfy your suggestion in the same way you have said of Gundogs. As I said, you have to have a level playing field, not one rule for one.....

Again, thats fine.

Nor me, similarly of those who suggest one thing but dont comment on another.

I'm pretty happy with the law as it stands at the moment too - gundogs can be docked legally to work and can still be shown at 95% of Champ Shows. It'd be nice to have a bit of equality in a sense of allowing docked gundogs to be shown at all Champ Shows, but it's no great loss really.

The desperate attempt to prevent docked gundogs from being shown has basically failed. If I do breed I can have the litter legally docked for working purposes and still show the offspring at the end of the day.

If you insist on asking questions like "why aren't English Pointers docked then", what do you expect me to do?!

It's just another case of someone hating docking, without actually bothering to find out the reasons behind it. In which case I have to say the opinion means diddley squat, because it is based solely on preconceptions and emotions, rather than knowledge.

My friend has just had a litter of docked Wei's. Well they are about 4mths now. She had no problem getting them done legally, the mother regularly picks up and hunts up. She intends to do the same with the one she has kept.

Which is exactly why those who legally dock their dogs are a bit miffed with regards to the rules. There's just no logic behind it!

Yes, the majority of HPR's are still docked when I've been out on training days etc. It's really not a problem if the dogs genuinely work and the majority of HPR's are more than capable ime.

Nice to hear of working Weim's though, they're not easy to find apparently? The breed seems to have split, or at least it had.....

Ref the original point of the thread, I find it illogical that some docked dogs can be shown and others can't simply because of the date the procedure was carried out.

If its done in accordance with the law, then there shouldn't be an issue.

Ref my views on docking in general.

To say I'm against it for working dogs would make me one hell of a hypocrite, considering I've got no issue with it being done to sheep, infact, been there done that, same with disbudding cattle.

I personally don't agree with docking purely for asthetic preference though.

If you dag the Sheep, you could argue docking is not necessary.