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26-09-2010, 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by wilbar 
Well for a thread that was supposedly about the misuse of "dominance", this seems to have deteriorated into a private slanging match between people that have been harbouring grudges for years
. Well done Fudgeley for bringing it back on track
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26-09-2010, 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by wilbar
Well for a thread that was supposedly about the misuse of "dominance", this seems to have deteriorated into a private slanging match between people that have been harbouring grudges for years
. Well done Fudgeley for bringing it back on track
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26-09-2010, 05:01 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
Why does dominance = force?
The most dominant dogs I know very rarely if ever exert force....they just don't have to.
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26-09-2010, 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
Gnasher, sounds like you are doing good work socalising Ben and helping him over his bad start in life
He sounds v like Mia - she only now lets me brush her tail
But your post before implied to me that if you were a good enough leader then he wouldnt have any of these problems because he would just look to you
Wheras how I see it is he has these problems because of his past and you are working with him to give him the time and positive experience for HIM to be able to be relaxed and happy in these situations because he has been socalised to them
Thats what I want for Mia - not to be having to relying on me to tell her some alternative behaviour - or looking to me at all
But to just be confident in herself in the situation
and Dawn, that post was out of line!
We have just come back from a lovely walk in the woods with the pack, and a sojourn to the pub afterwards. Ben was exemplary, he did not put a paw wrong, he was a really good boy. We are getting there, but it will not be a smooth ride. You cannot undo the first 3 years of his life when he had virtually no contact with other dogs, and led anything but a normal life, but you can put it behind him and leave it where it belongs, in the past, and move on. He is a wonderful dog, highly intelligent, and he deserves the best. We will do everything we can to give this to Ben.
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26-09-2010, 05:13 PM
Dawn --I am now convinced that you are right and that you are equal to your dogs.
Fudgley your post was great.
rune
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26-09-2010, 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by rune
Well I have to say that this thread has actually made me laugh----it has followed such a predictable pattern. Just one thing lacking and with luck that will turn up later on this evening.
Dawn --I am now convinced that you are right and that you are equal to your dogs.
Fudgley your post was great.
rune
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26-09-2010, 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Sal
I must say I have found this thread interesting,my dogs are not dominant, and I don't believe we are dominant over them.
They more or less do what they want,we have trained them that they are only allowed on the sofa when we tell them it's ok,they get off when we ask,they know there place at our mealtimes which is in their own beds.
I used to reward with treats when they were pups then cut them back,it's not very often they get treats now as they do as we ask because that's how we trained them.
A friend of our's did say one night when we were having a meal on our laps wow,they are well beahaved,our dogs would have had the plate off our lap
Now I wouldn't call that dominant behaviour but a dog that has never been taught and trained,and I think dominant has become a common word for a badly trained dog.
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26-09-2010, 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Sal
I must say I have found this thread interesting,my dogs are not dominant, and I don't believe we are dominant over them.
They more or less do what they want,we have trained them that they are only allowed on the sofa when we tell them it's ok,they get off when we ask,they know there place at our mealtimes which is in their own beds.
I used to reward with treats when they were pups then cut them back,it's not very often they get treats now as they do as we ask because that's how we trained them.
A friend of our's did say one night when we were having a meal on our laps wow,they are well beahaved,our dogs would have had the plate off our lap
Now I wouldn't call that dominant behaviour but a dog that has never been taught and trained,and I think dominant has become a common word for a badly trained dog.
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26-09-2010, 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
...Or if you look closely do you see a dog being TOLD to lie down, pushed over onto its other side whilst the owner says "roll over" when in actual fact the dog is fixated on the treat and nothing else at all?
Some dogs like rolling, and to them all that it is is a natural action that he has been trained to do on cue.
I wouldn`t call these sorts of behaviours tricks, because the dog will roll naturally.
sorry - a bit OT
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26-09-2010, 05:25 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
I teach rollover from a Down. You use the treat as a lure - the dog gets the treat as soon as he moves the way you want. Then when he completes the action reliably, you add the cue word.
Some dogs like rolling, and to them all that it is is a natural action that he has been trained to do on cue.
I wouldn`t call these sorts of behaviours tricks, because the dog will roll naturally.
sorry - a bit OT
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