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23-03-2011, 02:07 PM
There has to be sufficient evidence and witnesses to pursue a case. But for example VERY high profile individuals have been pursued not least the co owner of The Crufts winner last year, the Vizsla, Moray Armstrong was banned from judging or showing at KC events for a year after threatening a judge plus fined costs.
Obviously NOBODY could or should act on mere hearsay, in ANY field!
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23-03-2011, 02:51 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear 
imo it effects the dog negativly if ALL the interactions it gets are only driven towards the dog excelling at its hobby
I am a highly competitive owner, ALL my interactions with my dog are driven towards the dogs excelling at my hobbies, because I optimise their health by ensuring that their training/exercise regime looks at:
strength
Speed
Stamina
Skills
As well as their total wellbeing with regard to temperament which involves socialisation, habituation, including temperament testing.
So is my regime somehow detrimental to my dog by providing the huge variety of activities to enhance these which also enriches their lives???
If I had to rehome one of my dogs for one reason or another, does that mean they will come under a terrible amount of stress if the new owners did NOT take them swimming, biking, to the chiropracter, physio, hydrotherapist etc etc?
If the dogs are only socalised within their pack of dogs and only really see things to do with the hobby then it will be very stressfull for them to be moved on to another home, they are not socalised and able to cope with the different environment
All the people I know who compete successfully HAVE to have dogs that are socialised outside their pack otherwise they would not be able to compete with strange dogs etc!
So I am still struggling with your views..............
I agree with this. BenMc when a dog is competeing in something, just as an example; say Sch, they have the obedience side, the tracking side and the manwork. So even if everyday you are working towards them 'growing' in thier sport, they wont be doing the exact same things all the time. (and they need to pass a temprement test which can only be a good thing - you know that the dog is 'stable' and isnt going to be phased....) You also dont want an injured dog so if youve got sense you will keep them fit.
If they compete in agility, they dont need to only spend all their time doing an a-frame.....so they get variety and naturally owner want to keep them fit but also to avoid injury....therefore still exercised outside of agility training.
When dogs are shown as a hobby, you keep them in good condition, they need to be trained to a level that means they can be stacked near other dogs, move round (sometimes a very limited space) without reacting to dogs etc
I do not doubt, in fact I know that there are breeders/exhibitors who run dogs on and then keep them a bit too long, sitting around in kennells, but this isnt everyone and so I do not think that is enough to think that people who compete at a high level are necessarily doing so at the detriment of thier dogs.
I know a few people people with 4/5 dogs each and all are looked after and happy, not all are campaigned though. But thier other dogs are not suffering.
There will always be (unfortunately) people who consider the comp. before the needs of each dog but I dont feel this is the majority.
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23-03-2011, 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
Yep, but the same is true re grievances at work, reports to the police etc etc.
There has to be sufficient evidence and witnesses to pursue a case. But for example VERY high profile individuals have been pursued not least the co owner of The Crufts winner last year, the Vizsla, Moray Armstrong was banned from judging or showing at KC events for a year after threatening a judge plus fined costs.
Obviously NOBODY could or should act on mere hearsay, in ANY field!
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23-03-2011, 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
Yes I do know for sure, people, even on here but in real life too talking about how they have no room for any more 'pets' and if the dog dosent make the grade then they will be passed on so they can get another dog to carry on with the hobby
I am not talking about people who just have alot of dogs because they love every one of them as individuals and make the time for them all.
imo if someone had 1 dog that didnt like the hobby they wanted it to do, they got rid of that dog and got another - imo THAT is too many dogs
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23-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by DevilDogz
Would hate for you to think that someone owning X amount of dogs, that also competes in some sort of sport has that amount because wanting to win. I guess it can be the case, but not always!
I know nothing about their situation or how many dogs they can and cant look after
I never said that ALL people who had x number of dogs were bad
I never said that ALL people who had a hobby and a few dogs were bad
I simply said that I am against people putting the hobby before the individual dogs welfare
It isnt an attack on anyone - it is a general comment
I know of people who get a dog a year, or more, who pass on the dogs who dont work out, whos only interactions with the dog are about the hobby (people even sell 8 week old puppies who know how to weave) whos dogs are not let to just mooch about and be a dog, every walk is about 100% handller focus
I have seen people who dont let their dogs run about and play because it will spoil the condition of their coat
I am not saying anyone on here does these things - I am just saying they happen and I am against them
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