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Originally Posted by
Westie_N
My god, what a load of tosh!
Not all terriers who have never had a "clout around the ear" misbehave and are stroppy little dogs who are so spoiled that they cannot behave! I know plenty who behave with without the use of violence in their training.
I have a Westie,QUOTE]
Quite.
I've had them too and they are totally incomparable to a working terrier. Unless you're seriously telling me you have a working Westie (lmfao) you have absolutely no idea about the kind of dog I'm talking about. Is yours a pack animal? I seriously doubt it. It's astonishing how quick to judge people can be, particularly when they have no idea what they are talking about. Not everyone who owns terriers is about prancing them around a ring or trips to the shops, some use them for the purpose they were bred for.
I have no issue with any of you, nor would I disparage anyone for enjoying their dog for an aesthetic reason. Working dogs, however, are a different matter and I would like to think you would do me the courtesy of reading my post in its entirety before passing value judgements. My deerhounds have never given me the cause to clip them- a terrier with its blood up is a different matter all together.
I'd also clarify, a clip around the ear is a turn of phrase. I'm not suggesting someone literally beat a dog around the head. Is this forum totally lacking in nous? All opinions are valid but please people, drop the sanctimony. Loving animals doesn't require their deification. In front of a top end breeder I gave a terrier a tap on the bottom for growling at another btich and she agreed that it was a sensible response to a stroppy bitch. Hurting the dog is not the point, it's simply a means of putting them back in their box- a gentle short sharp shock.
Punishing a dog is pointless as it is after the fact and is simply cruel- catching a dog in the process of serious disobedience is another matter all together and should be dealt with. If your terrier (Westies are a different kettle of fish) responds to "No little Timmy, please don't eat that cat, you can have a chew chew!" then marvellous. The reality is though that working (do I need to bold that again) terriers are likely to give you the finger and promptly remove said pussy's bowels.
My wife (her login, she simply asked me to defend my views so flame me, not her) thinks I'm being mean but quite frankly I think there is a sanctimonous air about this thread and people are mistaking genuine working terriers with trip to the shop pets.
All the best
J M O.
Good god, talk about patronising.
Would you like me to refer to you as Dear Master, perhaps?
You stated, and I quote "show me a terrier who has never benefited from a clout around the ear" - I did just that. My Westie is obviously not a working terrier, however, she is a terrier nonetheless and can be very willful and stubborn at times, believe me.
Do you, for one minute, think that when I request Molly to do or not to do something that I ask her in such a soft way? Like, for example, "Please, please Molly darling, don't touch the kitty cat, come and get your chewy wooey instead." I think not.
Wherever you hit your dogs or have hit them in the past, whether it be around the ear (I think most of us got the hint that it was a turn of phrase) or any other part of the dogs anatomy really make no difference to me. To hit a dog anywhere when it is misbehaving is totally unacceptable, IMO.
Whether a top breeder agrees with giving a dog a "tap" as you call it, also makes no difference to me or alters my opinion, I would actually think less of that person if they felt that was acceptable, top breeder or not a top breeder.
I was at an agricultural show a couple of weeks ago where I met working JRTs. They were very well behaved and beautifully sociable around other people and dogs (there was a Companion Dog Show being held also). They certainly weren't in need of a slap.
Perhaps you have or have had to resort to a smack because you fail to understand what makes the dogs tick, and use violence brought out by your frustration at being unable to stop misbehaviours in a more positive way. Do I have to make this part bold?
You call us patronising, I would call you a Neanderthal, chauvinistic bully.