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Originally Posted by
rune
Why has no one commented on my suggestion that they incorperate working tests in showing classes thereby solving the problem?
You can't really seperate the ethics from the showing---it is all linked and comes under the mutilation of animals in the DEFRA document. It is linked because if the docking wasn't done the dogs could be shown.
If the KC had any guts they'd say they couldn't be shown at ANY show ---that would solve the problem as well.
There you go two solutions in one post----which do you fancy?
rune
I don't understand why you would want to introduce such a thing? What problem would it solve? These dogs already work, that's why they're docked. Or is it more so that you can see the proof for yourself?
Originally Posted by
nickmcmechan
since when did you become a moderator?
Sorry, who are you?!
Originally Posted by
rune
I don't want it both ways---I wanted a total ban on docking.
You work and show your terriers with tails---whats the problem?
How many dogs (other than spaniels who are multi purpose) flush game and are docked? English pointers aren't docked so why are the German?
rune
Any credibility you had in this thread has just disappeared following that comment
The fact that you don't even know the difference between the English and German Pointers just goes to show how little you know about gundogs and HPRs and shows to me how little you know about docking these dogs and the reasons behind it.
Originally Posted by
Brierley
Ah, sorry. As I said, I couldn't open the link so assumed it was about docking full stop. Anyways, now I know what the intent of the thread is about, just to chuck in my two pennorth, yes, there is an anomoly. The anomoly could be sorted out very easily by banning all docked dogs from Crufts and any other show
No problem.
It's a shame you can't see the link, the bit under "campaigns" shows some of the dogs that are docked for working reasons and denied entry at certain shows because of it.
Originally Posted by
Leanne_W
English pointers are just that...Pointers! They are bred for working on the grouse moors where there is very little to damage a tail on. They find game amongst the heather and then point, job done.
German pointers are HPR's who are expected to work any kind of cover and flush from the thickest of vegetation. Upon any game being shot they retrieve it, a pricked bird may have run on and hidden once again in thick cover. The speed of a HPR's tail when it's on a scent is just as fast as a spaniels.
Going back to the campaign, I was aware of this through the various clubs i'm involved in and being the owner of a docked dog (albeit just before the ban) I applaud it. Both Kimmax and Bareve are top breeders of GWP's and are very successful both in the field and in the ring and they have a dilemma on their hands with regards to docking. These are true dual purpose dogs and (arguably) the finest examples of this breed in the UK and yet, if docked to fulfill their working role, cannot be seen at Crufts.
I do wonder, if the ban continues, if it will create a divide in types like the labs and spaniels.
There's a already a split between Lab and Spaniels, did you mean to put HPRs etc?
I've been following the campaign as I'm a member of one of the groups myself, I've just never posted for some reason!