the best and healthiest dogs from abroad (usually germany) are those with working qualifications. We don't have anything similar for show people to aim at. Thats even if they wanted to---how many do any kind of serious temperament testing for working ability?

If you are interested you can get info on them from the net. Different countries have different schemes.

It is very strange that someone who seems to be very interested in showing and prepared to defend breeders etc has such gaps in their knowledge.

rune

My mistake----so there are things wrong with showing? Yes or no answer will do.

rune

Sadly I have only seen one Corgi doing agility
She measured small but was unable to even jump the small jumps
But she did love it and charged round poles flying - perfect rounds except every pole down

Her owner chatted to me afterwards and said she loves the breed and thinks she has finally found a good breeder who is breeding with the ability to take a small jump as well

Because for a supposed hearding dog it would be difficult to work if blocked by a simple twig or pothole - a little like a darlik trying the herd

Personaly I think us humans mess up breeding when we try and control it because we dont know all the facts. Not that long ago we didnt know about dna
We are learning all the time, which is good, but it means there is always things we dont know

Also there is in some areas old school people who think they are the gods of breeding and know it all
and people listen to them because they have been breeding 20/40/60 years

and with no real evidence to support things people say it is perfectly safe to line breed/inbreed breed littermates simply because people have been doing it

I am afraid I wont believe we know what we are doing until dogs are at least as healthy as wolves
and when you consider all the dangers that wolves face in the wild - and all the help our dogs have with vets and supposedly great food
I think it is very telling that the average lifespan often quoted for a wolf is 12 years - yet meny of our man made breeds do not have that expected lifespan


I think it is great that people are trying to do better, but I also think we do not know enough and have and still are making big mistakes

imo pedigree dogs (and crosses because at the end of the day if you mate 2 unhealthy dogs you get an unhealthy dog) are not as healthy as they would have been if man had not dabbled

Now now, put the claws away

Thanks you for the lesson, but its not needed , I am very much aware of working qualifications and what`s involved,

But that was not the point in question, I was simply following the line this thread had taken, about breed standards, you said the UK KC is responsible (or insinuated) for the demise of health in breeds .

bijou corrected your mistake,

You came back with

Which lead to my question.

I will answer any questions how I want when I want not on your order

Sorry, my mistake.

No proof either way because, of course, there never was and isn't now an adequate database to record the incidence of disease in dogs - hereditary or otherwise.

It's something that I'd personally like to see, but whether or not it will ever come is another matter

I don't think anyone has done that, but, as the biggest dog club in the UK they are definitely in a unique position to be able to make the greatest strides in respect of dog health and welfare if they choose to do so

Rune did

We don't have working qualifications---if our KC insisted on them the dogs here would be as good as the continental ones.

So of course working qualifications 'have something to do with it'

Simple

rune

Yes I did- , although I don't think I said ALL breeds---and it was proved by the list of breeds provided---apart from the terriers they were all 'newish' to our KC registrations.

Having said that it was also a wildly inaccurate list!

rune