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mo
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08-09-2005, 09:39 AM
Sorry but something still does not hold right for me, staffer you say you imported some of your animals with great expense, yet normally if a "breeder" does this its because they want to introduce new blood into their lines correct? then how come rather than actually breeding these imports correctly you choose to breed them with a different breed? and therefore making basically a mongrel? is it your intention to actually ruin a breed? or is it so that you can sell these puppies saying they have CH in their blood, which may fool the average Joe punter? these dogs cant be KC registered as they are not a pedigree, I'm sorry but to say that mixing two breeds makes a stronger healthier dog does not cut it, you are possibly introducing genetic problems from one breed into another, consequently rather than actually erradicating certain genetic ailments you are compounding the problem, this is irrisponsible, it appears to me that you have junped on the bandwagen of popular dogs, decided it is a way to make money, and have gone ahead without any true knowledge of the breeds you have, to slander the original poster stating they have fighting dogs etc is in my mind a way of taking the limelight off yourself, and your activities. although some may think its brave of you to come on here to answer questions, of which you are many of your responses leave a lot to be desired in a good breeder. as someone once said people should buy from a breeder that loves his breed not a breeder that loves to breed. having a licence to do what you are doing should not deflect from the fact that you are churning out pups on a much too regular basis, you have no idea of who you are homing your pups with, you keep saying anyone can bring back a sick or unstable dog they may have got off you, but I am presuming the people that have these dogs wont return them to you because they are concerned of what you may do once they are returned, many people buy from "farmers" because they think they are doing the pup a favour taking it from the "breeder" maybe this is the case with yourself?

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08-09-2005, 09:48 AM
thanks for coming onto the site staffer and answering all these questions. I have read through your replies but I must admit I still feel very uncomfortable that any-one can have so many dogs and breed from them. And especially the deliberate cross breeding of dogs I find very hard to understand.

I think you may be giving the dogs their basic needs but I find it hard that the dogs have any thing more than that.

I would like to see pictures of your kennels and would like to know how many pups you are producing each year?
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08-09-2005, 10:18 AM
Originally Posted by deefin
if you are indeed a good breeder ( and i for 1 am not convinced that you are)
why do you need to advertise your puppies on so many sites .
surely if you were that good you woldnt need too ..
you cant possably have the time to give each of your dogs the love and care it needs to be a well socialized animal
I'm with you...a GOOD breeder has a waiting list and only needs to advertise the 'odd' pup that he has left over.A GOOD breeder only breeds for the good of the breed...not for financial gain.
Pups bred in this environment and quantity are not socialised properly...its impossible.
Staffer....if you believe the dogs you breed need to be cross bred because they are of an unhealthy breed why breed from them at all?. What breeds do you breed that you consider need breeding to a different breed to produce healthy pups?
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08-09-2005, 10:21 AM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
WOW! only just come upon this thread, without going through all those pages, I guess "Staffer" breeds a lot of dogs?

May I comment on your dogs Staffer?

Firstly, why are all your dogs wearing chains? I assume they are kennelled, why would they need them?

They also appear quite "down" maybe thats because you are holding a camera in front of them, I know some dogs dont like it.

What is the VWD status of your Dobermann?
Dawn.
THEY DO LOOK VERY 'DOWN BEAT' DON'T THEY.... definately not happy confident dogs!
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08-09-2005, 10:23 AM
Originally Posted by staffer
when you first cross it is new blood no in breeding and it make a healthier dog
absolute rubbish!!!!! If a dog carries a defect then it can pass it on regardless of the breed of the dog its bred to! Hybrid vigour is an old wives tale used by irrespnsible breeders to fool people into buying cross bred pups for stupid prices.
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08-09-2005, 10:31 AM
Staffer ,I am so sorry to say this ,I dont usually make comments but 20 dogs !!!!!
How can any one person give 20 dogs individual attention,it just cant be done
Dogs need a friend ,someone who love them for themselves not for what they can produce for you.
I am not making any comments as to your breeding practises ,as I dont know you ,but anyone who breeds different dogs for sale are not breed specialists, and not in it for the good of the breeds,
I am 35 yrs in dogs and I have bred 9 litters in all and I have had some cracking dogs in my time ,dogs that people would have loved to get a puppy from, but it is heart breaking parting with puppies that you raise and cherish so why breed all those dogs for sale !!! if you really love them. sorry it does not ring true to me.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

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08-09-2005, 10:45 AM
Where is Staffer based?...It would be good if anyone that maybe near-ish could go take a look, that would be the biggest proof to all the questions.

I have no idea if Staffer is telling the truth, I haven't made my mind up either way...I hope it isn't true what he is accused of for the sake of the dogs

What we do need to remember though is that all the bulk questions seem easily answerable to us but at the same time a 100 or so questions from lots of different people all towards 1 person is probably quite a task, especially if your not used to typing...Not saying all these questions shouldn't be asked but just saying how I could see it as being quite hard to keep up.

Pictures of the establishment, where the dogs are kept, what their routine is, how they are cared for and as many details about the dogs and breeding as this person can think of would probably be the best way to go, other than going to take a look...Staffer could probably do this in one post Rather than trying to answer 101 different questions with people re-itterating what others have already said (the pages just mount up that way and will be hard for one person to deal with)

So how about it Staffer....Get some pictures together and tell us all about your dogs and your breeding practises, a good breeder could easily do this without leaving to many questions unanswered.
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08-09-2005, 10:56 AM
if the stuff on the website is indeed lies and his dogs are all given the attention and care they need it still leaves me with the question ,Why breed so many dogs when there are so many in rescue centers ?
and stud dogs do you just allow anyone who fancys breeding the use of your dogs ?
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08-09-2005, 12:56 PM
I beleive the following is another of your ads in the freeads

we have stud dogs at stud all kc reg, dogue de berdoux choice of 2, shiht zue black/white choice of 2 lahsa apso choice of 1 neopoltian mastiffs a black and a blue and a ash-blond choice of 3, english mastiff fawn black mask, dobermann black\tan, english bull terrier white black patch,and brindle /white hoice of 2 rottweiler choice of 2, west highland white terrier and st,bernard orange and white and british bull dog coice of 3 proven and will tie (pure bred) bullmastiff red with black mask all proven maiden bitches and aggresive ,shy bitches wellcome we will garentee a tie cross breeds and no kc bitches wellcome boarding facilities avalable

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08-09-2005, 01:04 PM
had a quick look at this early can some one fill me in please.
what i have got so for this person is accused of puppy farming and mis treating the animals.correct me if i am wrong.
he owns breeds a few different breeds whats the rest of it?

ok i have looked at all the thread now...
1) why do you import so many dogs......not just the odd one but 4/5 of each at any one time.
like others have said if you was checking the lines etc you would need to know your dogs well enough to know which lines to import from.
2) why x breed if you have pure bred dogs?
i can't get my head round why you would put 2 different pure breeds together.
3)how can you take proper care of the dogs you have? i have 2 and they take alot of care and attention never mind 20.
4) why so many dogs? we are all dog lovers but the thruth is how many people can afford to take care of 20.
5)how many pups do you produce in 1 year on average?
6)how much income do you make as a breeder?
7) do you sell your pups at the going rate for the breed?
do you know all the different health test needed for the different breeds you produce?
if you are not a puppy farmer you should know the things that are needed to test your dogs relating to the breed.
most breeders know the routine test to do on their own breed before breeding.

to be honest from what i have read i'm not convinced. like you said yourself any one can find nasty pics and put them on a web site just the same as any one can get nice pics and do the same thing.
if you was 100% honest you would welcome people to see your dogs etc and you have nothing to hide. plus it would stop any rumors relating to you.
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