the point that is being missed by all here though is that the pitbull is ALREADY banned in this country so therefore should already be wiped out seeing as its 17yr old law. So whatever pits around at the time of breeding age would no longer be here.

So the ones that are ARE ihere are llegal and probably not particularly well bred either if brought in illegally. So therefore what has the law achieved - nothing -these dogs are in worse hands than if they had been allowed to be sold publicly.

All of this pits wandering loose etc - IF it was such a HUGe problem in this country we would have had far more deaths etc than Ellie - who might i point out as tragic as that case was - her uncle was responsible for her death - he was exactly the type of person who shouldnt own any dog as if that dog had been a staffy/collie/mastiff/lab etc etc it would probably have resulted in the same situation. Bearing in mind that it would take far less force for a dog to kill a child than an adult, so breed doesnt really come into it.

Suze - you seem determined that no other breed is capable of the same as a pitbull - i think many dogs could do the same damage and i think the majority of dogs may have tendencies to follow their instincts or past - but how far back do you take it ? All dogs originated from wolves so surely if using your logic then they all have the capacity to revert back ??

Pitbulls bred correctly and nurtured are not walking timebombs - if that was the case there would be far more injuries/deaths etc than what there is ( talking about the US here as i dont consider pits in this country today to be meeting those breeding standards i am talking about)

I really dont understand how as dog lovers anyone could support eradicating a breed, whose only fault is to be a muscular dog desired by idiots to make them feel big.

Pits were NOT ORIGINALLY bred to fight in pits with humans or dogs, humans chose to put them to this use later. how far back do you go with history to prove temperaments ??

Humans kill humans far more easily, and frequently than dogs. I do not as a human being wish to eradicate a breed of dog that i would happily own if it were not illegal in this country.

Arguing about whether you could spot one doesnt really matter as nobody enforces anything - the dog owning and animal cruelty laws NEED to change to prevent future deaths or injuries and that is the only thing that will inevitably make any difference.

Ok - why were pit bulls banned??? your telling me collies are as bad - dont make me laugh

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/breed.cfm

A Pitbull is a breed, why do people think it is not, and have trouble defining it ?

The APBTs we know WERE bred for fighting, in fact bull baiting ! Again why is that contested ?

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/breed.cfm

A Pitbull is a breed, why do people think it is not, and have trouble defining it ?

The APBTs we know WERE bred for fighting, in fact bull baiting ! Again why is that contested ?

err bull baiting is not fighting ? dalmations were bred to trot nicely beside carriages, you dont see them doing that now do you. And where is the correlation between bringing down bulls ( which they were trained to do) and killing humans?

Not in this country it's not!
It's unrecognised