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Originally Posted by
Tassle
She had told him...he ignored her.....she tapped him and told him again....he still ignored her - I find it impossible to believe that through this there was no change in his posture or face. She then reached down and picked him up - at which point he bit her hand and face (which was obviously fairly close to his).
Again - I
do not see this as acceptable and I hope people reading this will gather that it is not a) how a dg should behave and b) how a dog should be treated.
I imagine many of the people responding to this have seen or heard about this situation hundreds of times. I get a lot of people who have done exactly the same thing with the same results becasue they fail to realise that in a situation where it is pushed or cornered a dog will often resort to using its teeth.
So what did I do so incrediably wrong that ‘that’s not how a dog should be treated’, i told him to get off, he didn’t so I tapped him (I didn’t hit, I didn’t smack or anything like that) and he moved! He then wouldn’t walk out the room so I tried to carry him, which he is used to! why is that so bad, when taking him by the collar and leading him out would be ok?? I personally, don’t see such a big difference.
Originally Posted by
Borderdawn
I think you misread her opening post Tassle, she actually said:
He did move when she tapped him, he got down, so IMO there was no reason for the dog to launch an attack on her. Perhaps a more experienced owner could of seen something else in his behaviour, but Lozzie did nothing that Jake was not used to, so I cant see how she was at fault from her description. OK, you or me may not of picked the dog up, but again, he WAS used to her doing this, so IMO the attack was unprovoked, a rumble or growl would of been the warning, not an attack.
I think perhaps she needs to go back to square one, sort out his eye/ear problems and take it a day at a time.
Thank you, if he had growled or bared his teeth etc, then I would have backed off, but he didn’t do any of that. so I didn’t know how he would react, coz its all normal behaviour.
Originally Posted by
aliwin
I disagree slightly on this point, whilst I agree it is never ok for a dog to attack I think with some dogs a warning is sometimes acceptable. Our dog is in constant pain with elbow displaysia and in this weather it must be horrible for her. She will give a warning face when she is not happy and everyone in the house can read this. IMO it is her only way of saying ouch please stop this is hurting! I know this is slightly different as she was asking him to do something but what can they do if warnings are not acceptable?
Lauren, no I don't think it was ok for Jake to bite and agree the vets is the first port of call but I do think you need to go to a training class with him as he can learn to work with distractions which may help with some of the outside issues you have been experiencing. He is a mix of clever breeds (I know I have that mix too). Do you use kongs and things in the house to keep him occupied mentally?
Hope you are less shocked and sore today. Good luck hun.
He has lots of chew toys and bones and the like to keep him occupied. He loves nothing more than getting a nice new toy and spending some quality time ripping it apart.
Originally Posted by
littlewolf
I feel this too. I was horrified when I read the title of lozzies thread.
I too am interersted in the instance where he growled at her niece and how they have got him to stop growling? Surely a warning growl is something you don't want the dog to get rid of?
We didn’t get rid of the warning growl, we just upped her position in his eyes so he wouldn’t ‘challenge’ her for the bone.
Originally Posted by
GSD-Sue
Haven't read all through the thread,so don't know all that has been suggested, but I would get him checked out at a vets asap, before you do anything else. I'd also get him checked for Lymes disease as we had a dog through the rescue who had attacked his owner, completely out of character & this was linked to the Lymes disease. s long as he is checked for this & treated at the first sign of it recurring he has been his usual loving self. Pain & illness can cause many animals to act out of character.
thanks, I don’t know much about lymes disease so will have a read about it. I think the behaviour is so out of character, that it must be due to pain… I know people say it will be him challenging me, but why come so suddenly and not build up to this, and why today has he been totally fine and not tried to challenge anyone…
Originally Posted by
Jackbox
I think thats the key to his behaviour, unless lozzi is using this form of punishment on a daily basis , then it may be the trigger to him fearing her ,
She told him to get off the bed, as we were not there , we dont know how she did this, he refuses, she smacks him or taps him, he get off the bed, and freezes on the floor, she then tries to pick him up.........all of this will have made him uneasy, and again unless Jake is used to being picked up by lozzi , he will not be happy to suddenly being picked up , add that to the negativity he has already received, and you get the outcome , that has arisen.
Why were you not happy with the treatment you recieved
But he must be able to hear , if he listened to you when you told him to get off your bed.
Poor boy, he must be very uncomfortable with this condition, has he only just become uncomfortable with his eyes and ears.... or has it been going on for a few days, since your last vet visit, did the vet give you stronghold, I did not think it worked on "mange" and can I ask why you are applying every two wks, does the dosage not say it last for up to a month?, what ear medication has he been given, if these are not working you need to get something stronger from your vet
Maybe a baby gate at the bottom of the stairs will help you in this situation
If his ears were giving his problems with balance you would see it at all times, not just when he is misbehaving , he woudl be shaking his head, holding it to one side, and would be showing discomfort on walks too.
I think you need to understand , he is pushing the boundaries, the infection may be escalating the problem, but it is not the cause of the problem, I am sure Jake is getting a little stressed with his condition now, as it has been going on for a while now,
I wonder , if that was the problem , Lozzi was not experienced enough to read Jake's, body language, and in challenging him, he has reacted...
I also agree with getitng his ears and eyes sorted out, as a priority.
‘form of punishment’??
please explain what ‘form of punishment’ you are referring to?
jake is used to being picked up, and I hardly see how a light tap is a form of negatively, if that’s negativity then clapping your dog must be negativity too!
I wasn’t happy with the vet, coz she had the briefest look at his face, and didn’t do a skin scrape to double check that it was a mite. So I don’t even know for sure it is a mite, and some people have told me they don’t think it is.
He must be able to hear somethings, but it might be impaired. Only hearing sometimes, or if im close up…
He has been uncomfortable before the vet visit and after. The stronghold has to be applied every two weeks, but that is for a month. He got one lot on the 6th and will get the next on the 20th and the last lot on the 3rd of feb so its over a month. He is getting something called canaural for his ears.